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How on earth did they keep that a secret!?!?!?!? I think that's the thing that amazes me the most [g] And who is it going to be?!?!? I can't wait!!!

to the first question, absolutely yes.

as to the second, is he really regenerating or is this some kind of elaborate RTD fake out?

And that is the million dollar question -- how could they have kept this secret? I'm still thinking a reset is in order; but nontheless, one would presume he'll have to regenerate before the reset. Or maybe not.

We don't know.

::sigh:: It's going to be a long couple of days until the finale.

On a separate note, I have to say -- you have amazing downloading speeds!

I don't know about a reset... after all, Tennant has done three seasons, and that's a lot for an actor in the Who-verse...

Then again, as Ith brought up talking to me a few minutes ago, a reset could be why the regeneration wasn't leaked to the public.

Yeah, I'm of two minds on which it's going to be.

And I'm just going to wait and watch ... :) 'Tis the safest course to follow.

Not that we have much choice [g]

It's the fact that they kept it quiet which boggles me more than anything [g] In seeing all the reaction posts, I thought Rose had been killed, so I was totally blindsided!

I've finally got a great ratio on the torrent site I belong to, and that seems to have speeded up my downloads considerably! Because I still have the same crap DSL I did before. The phone lines here in Monterey are too old to handle anything but the slowest speeds.

It was definitely an OMG moment, wasn't it? I was all flaily, and going noooo , until someone mentioned it might be a reset button scenario.

And then I felt strangely disappointed and let down.

I love Tennant in the role, but I'm getting a bit tired of the whole reset button thing masquerading as Deus Ex Machina - dude, get a new plot device!

Ditto! I'm a little tired of the cosmic reset button. I have no problems with a new Doctor. After all, that's the grand tradition of DW.

Okay I am still downloading - 2 plus hours and only 50%. But since I like spoilers, and do not know why DW needs to regenerate - does it always have to be a full regeneration? I mean Jenny regenerated without changing and he grew a new hand, maybe if he is just seriously injured he can fix himself? Maybe Rose has some of the heart of the TARDIS still in her and can fix him.

And, boy does my cable company owe me.

Roberta

There's nothing to say he can't, it's never been done, but if they did, I think it would be a cop out.

Okay, just watched and OMG! WTF! and every other exclamation ever.

Noooo! While I get the Doctor changes, I want DT for two more seasons. And since he is doing the 2009 specials, how can he regenerate.

They said something about time being out of sync. Any chance a regeneration in a time vortex could have an earlier Doctor come back as the regeneration? CE, or an even earlier one like whoever Sarah Jame was with when she first met Davros?

Just a thought, not a reset, but seems a time manipulation is needed to finally put the time war straight and end it and they are at the Medusa Cascade where it all happened. If Dalek Caan messed stuff up when he went back, so planets throughout time disappear why not have someone from another time appear?

Roberta

or an even earlier one like whoever Sarah Jame was with when she first met Davros?

Considering one of them is dead and the other 30 odd years older, that's not likely [g]

But yeah, it's likely they'll pull a fast one and totally ruin the joy of a regeneration for me. Bah.

Okay, but a few of them are still around. And if we are playing with time, people and even Time Lords could possibly get older if pulled through. Look what happened to that guy in Torchwood. He age 40 years in a few weeks.

Oh, and sorry you want a regeneration, it would be nice and I want one too, but not for two more seasons.

Hey, take a look at Donna's time jump from last episode. She looks really good and it kind of has that regeneration thing going.

I wonder?

Roberta

I think we're talking at cross purposes here. I thought you meant the actors, not the characters. One of them has died in real life, and the other is getting on. The one living, Tom Baker, is 30 years older than when his Doctor died and regenerated. so no amount of makeup could make him look like that doctor anymore. And a regeneration is to a new form/body, not an old one. Of course, unless they mess with show canon [shrug]

Donna doesn't look any different to me, sorry.

And meant to ask last time, what's significant about the 'two seasons' you keep mentioning? What happens in two years? [confuzzled]

confuzzled. I like that word.

It is nothing special but from everything I have read DT is suppose to be doing the 2008 Christmas Special and the 3 special movies planned for 2009 when DW is on sabatical. In 2010 they are bringing a full series (British length e.g, 13 episodes back on air. From what I read in some DW magazines my brother has picked up for me, either new Doctor comes in at 2010 sometime.

Guess I just had it in my head he was here for two more years. And, I really wanted 1 more year of Donna then a new companion. Looks like they kept a huge surprise in store.

Roberta

Assuming they're telling us the truth about him doing all that. And the movies could be set in the past. And a new Doctor doesn't mean Donna wouldn't be a companion to the new guy. Rose went from 9 to 10.

But my suspicion is they'll pull some sort of cheat and we'll still have DT as the Doctor. That's just what I've come to expect from the DW PTBs [shrug]

Did not think about the movies being in the past and could then be with any companion.

As always,, Time will tell us all.

Now off to bed. Will have nightmares of DW, so many, many question, like is Donna a time lord? Was it drums or a heartbeat she heard? Who is the three fold man Dalek Caan spoke of?

Oh, and gramps and Sarah Jane better not die. But then, who is the most faithful companion? Rose/ Tardis? SJ? River Song? She knew his name and "had been to the end of the universe with him" - mmmm.

I want Friday, now. [goes off to pout]

Roberta

Cough...ahem...adjusts glasses....

The thing is, Jenny didn't regenerate, she got fixed by the 'sparkly-I-bring-life-terraforming-stuff' ala Spock. Also, the hand only regrew because Ten had just undergone a full regeration - of course, it could be a regeration, ala Romana (i.e. he chooses his form) but they'd have to hand wave away Nine/Ten's explanation of how a regeneration works in New Who and retcon the Time War (Dalek Lasers kill Time Lords STONE dead... )

/geek

Wouldn't be the first time they retconned and ignored their own canon [g] But all those reasons are why it would bug me if if this wasn't an actual regeneration.

This is all true, but the more I think about it....

[Sighs]

But all this is not as irritating as me suddenly realising I've misspelled regeneration at least twice in my last comment!

Did you? I didn't even notice [g]

Pondering fan reaction, and I wonder if us old Whovians are more likely to embrace a regeneration than the new fans? The same way that old fans aren't as hot and bothered over new companions? Ooooh! Roooooose! /cough

Pardon my snark [g]

[grins] Methinks you've made a very valid point!

As someone on my flist once said, a lot of the fans who were introduced to the show through New Who thought they were watching the RoseTyler show, and felt awfully betrayed at the end of season two as a result - and I can kind of see their point. if I hadn't watched DW as a kid...

And now if Ten is leaving...

Maybe, RTD is trying to soften up the audience, for the real thing? Because, lets face it, Moffat will probably want to have his very own Doctor to play with...

Because, lets face it, Moffat will probably want to have his very own Doctor to play with...

[snicker]

Oh, the images that brings up! :)

[snicker]

And, I agree... Since I'm an older fan (Sylvester McCoy as my favorite Doctor (or, as I call him, 'Sly'. Even said it to his face. [weg]) I'm not all "NOOOOOOOO! HE NEEDS TO STAY AND BE HAPPY WITH HIS TRU LUV, ROSE!" (Gah! Gave myself a headache just reading that!)

I mean, I like Tennant in the role, but I figured it would happen sooner or later... 3 seasons is a good run for a Doctor.

Then again, it could be a reset (Which I think is a-a cop-out, and b-passe since they did it as the season ender of last season!).

If it is a reset, I don't know if I'd enjoy it as much... I mean, come on! How many times are aliens going to take over the Earth and decimate the human race to only be have it set back to right and no one remember it! We need something like this as a planet to move forward in the galactic forum!

[ahem] Sorry... I'll get off my soap box now...

I think in this day and age--i.e., of digital playback, the internet, and a larger group of obsessive fans--it would be hard to ignore canon on that grand a scale.

I have bits of theories floating around, but most of them involve Cosmic Reset Buttons. Which we've already used (twice), so part of me actually wants consequences. OTOH, David Tennant is my TV Boyfriend, so I'm reluctant to let him go.

The thing is, Jenny didn't regenerate, she got fixed by the 'sparkly-I-bring-life-terraforming-stuff' ala Spock.

I don't buy that explanation. I think it having been been an "echo" of a full regeneration, just as the Doctor said Jenny's having two hearts only made her an "echo" of a Time Lord, is more believable than it being the terraforming stuff working that late and that specifically after its release. But then there's lots of New Who writing that doesn't impress me.

Also, the hand only regrew because Ten had just undergone a full regeneration...

It was more than his having been through a full regeneration, it was his having been through the regeneration because of being suffused with the energy from the vortex which he spent so much of the special bleeding back out. Thing is, however, with RTD having brought "Bad Wolf" back up I'll be surprised if that particular reset button/Deus Ex Machina isn't revisited.

...they'd have to hand wave away Nine/Ten's explanation of how a regeneration works in New Who and retcon the Time War...

I'm hoping some retconning of the Time War is on the agenda, just not enough to fuck up Captain Jack Harkness's being a fixed point.

*Whimper*

[pets]

I just said "Oh My God" continuously through the last five minutes. I..I just have NO WORDS. Though I also squeed when the Doctor said they were going to the Shadow Proclamation.

Also, a thought: River Song recongised the Doctor in Silence in the Library, but said he looked older: Maybe we'll get an older makeup DT? Or someone who looks like him? (Or, of course, a reset, but that would feel like cheating, no matter how much I love DT).

Yeah, it was something, huh?

Hell yeah. I just saw Iron Man last night, so I'm pretty much concentrated 100% awesomesuace right now.

And what do you think is going to happen next week?

Tonyyyyyyyyyyyy!! [g] I'm working on IM fic right now.

As for next week, I have no idea :)

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