'Methos'

[ithildin]

So it looks like Alison is on board for the discussion of the Methos episodes here. Just a little recap, she's a new fan of the show, so this is all fresh, bright, and sparkly for her and she was looking for people to talk to about the show:)

My plan -- at least at this moment -- is to post a recap of the episode and let the comments take it from there. Any better ideas on how to set this up are more than welcome. Depending on how it goes, I'll do two a week.

Methos, Air Date: 03/95

When two Watchers end up dead by Kalas' hand, Joe realizes that Kalas is looking for Methos, the mythical "oldest Immortal." MacLeod knows that, with Methos' quickening, Kalas would finally be strong enough to defeat him. Kalas and MacLeod race to be the first to find Methos.~ Recap via tv.com

There's a bit about Richie and the pointless race backstory, but we don't really care about that, do we? Heh!

Next up for discussion will be Finale 1 & 2, in case anyone had the urge to go watch before we talk :)

One note: you can comment here without being an LJ user, but if you do comment anon, could you sign your comment with a name so we can think of you as something other than 'hey you' :) Thx!

Addendum: The 'Finale' discussion is going on here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Richie who? LOL! No, no we don't care...

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

Kinda figured that :)

[pat-t.livejournal.com]

Oh I don't know - I never talk about Highlander or Methos *g*.

Hmm, was Richie in this episode? Nope. Don't think so - not since I re-burned it to dvd *without* those annoying scenes. It's a little shorter - but a much better show now. So, what is the plan to get lots of people in on the discussion?

Where do you want to start? His gorgeous eyes? The way he and Mac meet? Has your friend seen the show yet? Does she have any clue about the Duncan and Methos dynamics? Has she heard of slash - or is that an area we need to go way around the bend to not run into it?

How about the scene under the tunnel? Did Methos really want to give his quickening to Duncan or did he know Duncan would never take his head and was using the opportunity to play on Duncan's sympathies and make him all protective?

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

Pat, you're a natural conversation starter :) Thank you! I've sent her the link, so she will show up at some point. She's in the UK, so we have some time lag going on. She's seen at least the first few Methos eps AFAIK. I'm asuming she's heard of slash since I know her from House M.D. fandom, which is very slashy. As for if we talk about it, I'm going to let people talk about what they want to. I won't be talking about it since I'm not into Duncan/Methos :) But don't let that stop anyone. I'm used to being the lone non slasher in the group.

As for the tunnel scene, that was going to my first actual discussion post. However, I probably should do some actual work at work first, then post. It's a concept!

I'll be back a lil later.

(I need a Methos icon!)

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

Where do you want to start? His gorgeous eyes?

Eyes, voice, hands... Is it warm in here? Did I mention the voice?

Oh yeah, I was supposed to be working. I got distracted. Really going to work now. Honest!

"Mi casa es su casa"

[steelvictory.livejournal.com]

I haven't scene that episode in *years*, but the very first scene of Methos sitting on the floor surrounded by books when MacLeod walks into the apartment has been burned into my mind forever. I had seen Methos in other episodes before, but this scene does a brilliant job of saying, "He doesn't look like much, but pay attention to this guy. He's important."

And boy did we pay attention.

'Methos' 11 Years Later

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

Looking at the air date and realizing it's been 11 years since I first saw the episode knocked be back a bit :) So many years later, I'm not sure what are my initial fresh impressions and which are impressions coloured by many more episodes, email discussions, and con panels.

The tunnel scene when Methos wants Duncan to take his head is a prime example. I know how I view that has changed. At the time, I would have said Methos was sincere. That he was tired and really didn't have the fire or passion to beat Kalas. Now that's changed a fair bit. One of Methos' exchanges with Stephen Keane in a much later episode pretty much solidified my view that Methos, being a student of human nature, Duncan's in particular, knew quite well that Duncan would never take him up on his 'sacrifice'. But the writers didn't know that when they wrote 'Methos', since he was supposed to be killed off in short order. So now that I'm quite confused, if we go with the latter viewpoint, what exactly would Methos' motivation have been to offer his life to Duncan?

One thing I do remember that first airing was wondering when Methos was going to be back. I made much more of a point of double checking the air time. Even to the point of calling the local station to confirm since they tended to change the day and time with no warning.

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

Oh I don't know - I never talk about Highlander or Methos *g*.

I know it's hard, so you're a real trooper for talking about such an ugly subject. [g]

Hmm, was Richie in this episode? Nope. Don't think so - not since I re-burned it to dvd *without* those annoying scenes. It's a little shorter - but a much better show now.

I don't actually have a Richie free ep made, but I do skip all those parts every single time. No offense to the youngling, but the whole thing had no bearing whatsoever on the front story. And most of it was bikes roaring around and around and around...

So, what is the plan to get lots of people in on the discussion?

Plan? Plan? What is this plan? Heh. I posted a link to several email lists, and to my blog. Other than that....?

Re: "Mi casa es su casa"

[mcjude.livejournal.com]

I came very late to the Highlander fandom (2003). Don't ask what I was doing in the 1990's suffice it to say "Real life". Furthermore, METHOS was on while I was on vacation, but I set my VCR to record it. Imagine my shock when I found out it was a few good scenes interspursed with motorcycle racing. UGH!! But, I like the rest of the people here was hooked.

Re: "Mi casa es su casa"

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

I haven't scene that episode in *years*, but the very first scene of Methos sitting on the floor surrounded by books when MacLeod walks into the apartment has been burned into my mind forever.

It's in the eyes for me. He just has this expression on his face that has you immediatly wondering what his secret is.

One of the scenes that always stuck with me is his first meeting with Kalas. Again, it's the expression on his face.

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

I won't be talking about it since I'm not into Duncan/Methos :) But don't let that stop anyone. I'm used to being the lone non slasher in the group.

Fear not Ith. I don't discuss Duncan/Methos either, except to say I'm not into it. ;)

wow all this for little ol me?

[enchantersnight.livejournal.com]

better late then never finally got round to checking aol and found this, am speechless. Am also ill so have only quickly skimmed mails. Promise I will read all and reply more tomorrow (off work for the week-I think)

Now would I rather enjoy Dr House's bedside manner or Dr Adam's hmm I wonder, well considering dear Gregory would no doubt not be interested in a common cold I will turn my thoughts to a doctor with a markedly better bedside manner(also shows how many episodes I have watched)

But will think first on a tall young man lounging by a bed with a book and some beer, hmm could almost feel better already.

Re: wow all this for little ol me?

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

wow all this for little ol me?
better late then never finally got round to checking aol and found this, am speechless.

I'm nothing if not thorough when properly motivated :)

Feel better!

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

Aww, hey! I admit I don't remember the episode having a Richie subplot, but the kid was part of the series for 5 seasons and while he isn't my favorite character I do know that for some people he is. If we're talking about showing Highlander to a brand new viewer they should get to decide how they feel about Richie.

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

[pats becca on the head] Richie discussion is allowed :) There was just a sentence in the recap about motorcycle racing that I cut.

[cyberducks.livejournal.com]

What gets me the most about this episode are two things - one how much immediate chemistry Duncan and Methos have, and two how different bookish cutie Adam is from the Methos of the later seasons, the Horsemen eps and beyond. It's like looking at two different people, two different actors almost - this never seizes to amaze me.

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

and two how different bookish cutie Adam is from the Methos of the later seasons, the Horsemen eps and beyond. It's like looking at two different people, two different actors almost -

Yes! Mentally I always consider that first Methos we see as his Adam Pirson persona. As the series progresses, we see more and more flashes of what I consider to be Methos as opposed to Adam, and there's particular moments that really stand out for me in that regard. I probably should save those moments for when we get to the eps in question. I'm trying hard not to get ahead of myself :)

Re: wow all this for little ol me?

[sophiedb.livejournal.com]

I will turn my thoughts to a doctor with a markedly better bedside manner

Dr Adams would project whatever bedside manner gets him places, House just snarks for kicks :)

As for the grad-variety Pierson, bless his little cotton socks - that "mi casa" scene is fantastic *chortles*

(p.s. hello from another Brit!)

[sophiedb.livejournal.com]

That's a really good question! And I have no idea. Like you said, it's quite difficult to separate one-shot Methos from the show-stealer he became :)

Maybe instead of being tired or manipulative, they thought he'd see his exposure to the Watchers (presumably via Duncan's friendship with Joe, cos the Scot wasn't the world's greatest liar) as the end of his ability to hide in plain sight. They'd already have photos and a barrage of eager trackers, very pesky after millennia of flying under the radar (I'n guessing they hadn't thought of the Horsemen yet either) - perhaps too much of a life change to cope with?

Re: wow all this for little ol me?

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

Dr Adams would project whatever bedside manner gets him places

[cough] I initially interpreted the above in a totally different manner than you intended! Yes, my mind's in the gutter, why do you ask? :)

[sophiedb.livejournal.com]

Am far more likely to squee over the bikes than Richie :)

[sophiedb.livejournal.com]

*cackle* I like the way you think!

Methos

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, do get ahead. Methos is great! Always the first episodes pulled out for a rewatch. I do agree as the show progressed Peter was playing two roles - Adam and Methos. Not sure who I like better - sweet, geeky, Adam, or the deep waters Methos. Tough call.

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

[pats Becca on the head] Richie discussion is allowed :)

*Wags tail happily.* Good. I think Richie's okay, just not great. ;)

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

I'm glad someone does!