ithildin: (Methos - Jane)
Welcome to the nineteenth installment of Methos Episode Discussion. You can find the last one, for Indiscretions here. All prior episode discussion links can be found over on the sidebar.

To Be/Not to Be, Air Date: May 1998

The popular series lays down its sword after six seasons in this stirring finale, in which MacLeod makes the ultimate sacrifice to save the lives of Amanda and Joe Dawson... then reunites with old friend Hugh Fitzcairn, and gets a look at what the world-- and his friends' lives-- would be like without him.

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Fitz died three hundred years ago... Horton has taken over the Watchers... Joe Dawson has been reduced to a bitter, penniless vagrant... Amanda is a black widow... and Methos has rejoined the Horsemen to avenge his fiance's death. If you think that's bad, just wait till you find out what's happened to Richie and Tessa.
~ recap and quotes via tv.com


Quotes below the curtain





Duncan: I gotta get Amanda out. It's my fight, not hers. Where're you going?
Methos: Well, I'm, uh, kind of fond of the little vixen myself. Okay?
Duncan: Yeah.
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Ghost Fitz: Try not to think of yourself as dead - more, uh, metabolically challenged.
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Fitzcairn: Great Scott, MacLeod! (pause) Ummm, no pun intended.
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Methos: "Don't go, MacLeod. It's a trap MacLeod. MacLeod, your pants are on fire." Doesn't matter what I say, does it? Well, I've only been alive for five thousand years; what would I know about it?
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Methos: Goodbye.
Duncan: I think you mean "good luck," don't you?
Methos: Of course, uh, that's what I meant.
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Joe: Now, wait a minute. You're telling me that this chronicle is wrong? That it was Marcus Aedilies who took the head of Titus Marconus and not Peter Gaicus.
Methos: Seventy-four BC. I had a tidy little sum wagered on Marconus too. Had my eyes on a little summer place outside Herculanium.
Joe: Yeah, but why would his Watcher lie?
Methos: Oh, come on, Joe. You know how it is. You don't want to admit to your Watcher buddies that your guy's been whacked by some sniveling little weasel like Aedilies so you make up a story that he's been, he's been aced by the greatest swordsman in Rome.
Joe: I don't know, man. I don't know.
Methos: Hey, you ask, I tell you. And incidentally, it wasn't outside the Forum either it was, um, it was in the vomitorium.
Joe: In the vomitorium?
Methos: The place you went to vomit.
Joe: You mean they actually did do that?
Methos: You eat a seventeen coarse meal where the main garnish is honey coated ants and peacock brains... We ate; we drank; we vomited.
Joe: But see, it doesn't say anything in this chronicle about him dying in a vomitorium.
Methos: Well, is that how you'd want to go down in history? (feels an Immortal's presence) We're having company
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Kronos: I think our friend is a quick learner.
Methos: Well, I always can spot potential.
Kronos: Time I think for a little test.
Methos: Dawson, you think?
Richie: Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, who's Dawson?
Kronos: He's one of the bastards who killed our brothers Caspian and Silas.
Richie: Hey, whatever you want, I'm your man.
Methos: We want him dead.
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Ghost Fitz: Kronos wanted to put the Four Horsemen back together, and you weren't around to stop him.
Duncan: But Methos had changed.
Ghost Fitz: No--without you he hadn't changed enough. Pity for Methos, and pity for Richie too.
Duncan: What happened to Richie?
Ghost Fitz: Oooohh, well there's another sad story...
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(about Methos)
Duncan: What happened to him, Fitz?
Fitzcairn: He did what I do all the time, laddie...and what we all do eventually--he fell in love.
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Duncan: I suppose you don't believe in ghosts either.
(Methos taps the hitman on the shoulder, then knocks him out)
Duncan: You're good.
Methos: You should see me at Halloween.
Duncan: I think I have a costume for you.
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Ghost Fitz: I missed out on almost three centuries of living. Now that's an awful lot of unhappy women.
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Ghost Fitz: The Horsemen rode again, and they made the Russian Mafia look like the Vienna Boys Choir.
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Methos: You know, this bad-guy-just-your-size routine never works, MacLeod.
Duncan: All O'Rourke has to do is buy it for thirty seconds.
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Duncan: You know, I don't know who or what you are, Methos, and I know you don't want to hear this, but you did teach me something. You taught me that life's about change, about learning to accept who you are, good or bad, and I thank you for that.





So this is it for this round! Thank you everyone for making this so much fun! And thank you [livejournal.com profile] enchantersnight for being a new fan and wanting to talk about the show. Without you, none of this would have happened.

Now, on to the next round! Please take a moment, if you haven't already, to vote for which season one episodes you'd like to discuss during the next round. Vote early, vote often :)

Next up will be ? ? ?. Only your poll answers will tell.

Date: 2006-07-03 05:37 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] enchantersnight.livejournal.com
Without you, none of this would have happened.

Ok I know this is all my fault :)

I liked these episodes particularly Methos in love and back with Kronos! The scenes where the watchers cath up with him and his lady love were quite hard to watch due to the emotion :(

And I do have a soft spot for Fitz

Fitzcairn: Great Scott, MacLeod! (pause) Ummm, no pun intended

he gets all the best lines, apart from perhaps the whole vomitorium thing :)

Date: 2006-07-04 12:45 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Jane - Methos)
Yeah, I liked seeing him in love too. Even if she was a moron [g] Kronos does have a sense of timing! That would have been a nice aspect of a Methos series -- more sex scenes! I would have liked to see some of those 68 wives. And I really liked that green shirt he was wearing in the last segment [/shallow] I thought Methos looked quite nice through the whole thing... where was I? Oh yeah!

Date: 2006-07-04 01:43 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] robi-travels.livejournal.com
"Yeah, I liked seeing him in love too. Even if she was a moron [g]"

Agreed. She was not to bright. Believing Horton. Now thinking back to watcher episodes,was she a watcher that had been introduced before? She wasn't Horton's daughter was she - I forget her name.

"Kronos does have a sense of timing!"


Oh yeah, great entrance. Second to the fog scene in Comes a Horseman.

"That would have been a nice aspect of a Methos series -- more sex scenes! " That is good and bad - more blue boxer shots, but hey, he would be with other women. I am not good a sharing (even in fantasy).

Roberta

Date: 2006-07-04 03:34 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Methos Blue)
That is good and bad - more blue boxer shots, but hey, he would be with other women. I am not good a sharing (even in fantasy).

Not a problem I have! LOL.

Date: 2006-07-04 02:02 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] robi-travels.livejournal.com
Roberta - "That is good and bad - more blue boxer shots, but hey, he would be with other women. I am not good a sharing (even in fantasy)."

Ith - "Not a problem I have! LOL."

Okay, this comment can be taken so many ways. Of course, my first take (actually first 5 takes) was anything but G rated. In fact, I can honestly say I was shocked (not a good thing at 8 am on a holiday).

Even after waiting a while to reply, I still come to the conclusion - Slash No!, Manage a Trois, Voyeurism- oh yeah!,

As Methos would say - Ith, there is hope for you!

Roberta


Date: 2006-07-04 06:16 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Afternoon Delight)
You've really been hanging around me and Nin too long! We've corrupted you! No, I only meant that I don't mind. That was it :) But I do have a fondness for a well written threesome story. I kind of wrote one myself a few years back.

Date: 2006-07-04 07:17 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Afternoon Delight)
Nin is proud she contributed to your corruption [g] She just told me as she walked by.

Date: 2006-07-04 07:20 pm (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
"Nin is proud she contributed to your corruption [g] She just told me as she walked by. "

Leave it to the Ninjapiglet to cheer the corruption of ones' moral fiber.

Tell her thanks. Of course, my mind is still reeling from the comment.

Roberta

Date: 2006-07-04 07:17 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] robi-travels.livejournal.com
What - you wrote a threesome? Nay, do not believe it. Impossible. You are playing with my mind.

Roberta

Date: 2006-07-04 07:23 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Sisters)
A vampire threesome. Actually, it was several in one story. And Tammy wrote an actual honest to god one for me a few years back too :)

You do know that the first fic I ever posted was Forever Knight erotica, right? I even had a vampire erotica piece accepted by an online magazine, but they went under before it was ever published, so I switched it to FK so I could post it as fanfic on JADFE. (the old FK adult fic email list ) I've written lots of adult fic in my time. Just most of it under another name. Didn't want the guys at work googling my name and coming across it!

Date: 2006-07-04 07:36 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] robi-travels.livejournal.com
"You do know that the first fic I ever posted was Forever Knight erotica, right? "

Ahhh, No. Mind reeling, mouth agape.

"Actually, it was several in one story"

Major brain freeze over this. Somehow I figured you were PG in your writings.

Roberta

Date: 2006-07-04 07:40 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (From Hell)
LOL! PG? You really don't know me very well, do you ? :) It's all on my archive for the world to see.

(Johnny Depp in bathtub icon seems apropos for this thread)

Date: 2006-07-04 07:49 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] robi-travels.livejournal.com
"You really don't know me very well, do you ?"

Well thought I had some clue, but obviously I have been remiss. That comment you made awhile back about luring people in by appearing normal is starting to take on a whole new shape.

Of course, since you are generally around Nin when these things come up (no pun intended), I suppose the Marquis De Sade would appear normal. Hence the shock value.

"It's all on my archive for the world to see. "

This I have to read.

"(Johnny Depp in bathtub icon seems apropos for this thread) "

If PW is not available, I guess. Of course I did see an icon of his PW's tattoo recently somewhere - very nice! Need to get my hands on his Bliss episodes.

Roberta

Date: 2006-07-04 07:55 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (From Hell)
I think some of my older stuff is not on the archive anymore, now that I'm thinking about it. But can email it to you if you're interested. I know they were on the JADFE archive, but it's gone poof. I also have an adult version of "Oaths" . It was too graphic for FKFic list, so the version that's posted is the PG13 one.

I love the scene from "From Hell" that the icon is from. He's drinking absinthe :)

I think that's Pat's icon you're thinking of, the naked bum with the tattoo?

You can see Bliss when you come to visit if you haven't seen it before then. And the Elven Bride [snorfle]

Date: 2006-07-04 08:03 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] robi-travels.livejournal.com
"But can email it to you if you're interested."

Please do. Have to actually read this to believe.

"I also have an adult version of "Oaths" .

Okay. Send it along.

"the naked bum with the tattoo? "

That would be the one. Very nice!


"You can see Bliss when you come to visit if you haven't seen it before then. And the Elven Bride"

I have not seen any. I thought his episode was entitled Tying up Gerald or some such thing. Definitely a must watch during the visit.

Roberta

Date: 2006-07-04 08:25 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (From Hell)
There's two: Tying Up Gerald, and Guys and Dolls.

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