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[ithildin]

Just read on my f'list that Warehouse 13 has been renewed, which is terrific news, but what really had me whopping was learning that an H.G. Wells spinoff is in development! The only thing that would make it more perfect would be if it was a show with Helen and Micah, but I'll take what I can get [g]

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[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

Also, forgot to mention, that if they stick with the setup they had in the last ep, Gareth David-Lloyd would be Helena's partner. I like HG well enough (pun not intended, but LOL anyway) but GDL as her regular partner? That would have me tuning in. I mean, I wasn't a fan of Torchwood but GDL is so endearing with the character he played in the W13 ep.

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

I was wondering if he would be a part of a series. I thought he was great, even though I was never much of a Ianto fan. It's also amusing that he's being cast in a show/role very similar to Torchwood. I'm sure crossovers are being written as I type [g]

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

lol. I actually inspired beccadg to start working on one of her own: http://donna-c-punk.livejournal.com/3125183.html?thread=16865983#t16865983.

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

Heh. I have made a Woolly icon, *points to icon* a Woolly and Wells icon, and I am working on Warehouse 12/Torchwood fic. The people at SyFy responsible for GDL first being hired for Red Faction: Origins and then for Warehouse 13 apparently know they can get me to watch whatever they want with him. x_x

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

I thought he was great, even though I was never much of a Ianto fan.

As a Gareth fan, not just an Ianto one, I am content hearing you say you thought GDL was great as Woolly. ;)

I'm sure crossovers are being written as I type [g]

*Attempts to whistle innocently.* That's a safe bet. :D

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

I can't wait to see the story when you've finished. If you need any W13 questions answered, I'll be happy to help out there.

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

Thanks! I've been wondering, if they retconned HG's history in 3x05, how much of her established canon I should go over. I mean I want to work from the HG in the episode with Woolly.

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

HG's worldview was retconned in the episode. Last season, she clearly stated the death of her daughter, Christina, had shown her that humanity was still full of heathens and monsters. She was bitter. Terribly sad, embittered and down on people, she ASKED to be Bronzed by the Warehouse. So she could be de-Bronzed in the future, when the world would suck less. Because, hey, people should only get BETTER as time goes on, right? So, unlike everyone else to be Bronzed, she was not a criminal so bad and dangerous, it was the Regents' only option.

It makes me wonder, based on Rebecca and Jack's commenting on what she might've done to have been Bronzed, if they're going to retcon the explanation for that as well.

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

Last season, she clearly stated the death of her daughter, Christina, had shown her that humanity was still full of heathens and monsters.

Oh! The Warehouse 13 wiki says her daughter was killed in 1899, and the flashback sequences in 3x05 were 1893. With Jack joining the Warehouse six years before her daughter's death the timeline is bound to be different. How much canon is there on her daughter in general, and her daughter's death specifically?

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

How much canon is there on her daughter in general, and her daughter's death specifically?

From what I remember, HG came home and some intruders had killed Christina. It's been AGES since I've seen the episode where it was explained, but I clearly recall that's what happened to her.

Seems like the canon has been changed in relation to that, too. I'd imagined Helena was in black as she came down the stairs out of mourning for her daughter. I would've thought if Christina were still alive, she would've made reference to it. At least in present day. I can't even remember if she said if it was after Christina's death in present day or not. Then again, I've been up since 3 AM.

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

It's been AGES since I've seen the episode where it was explained, but I clearly recall that's what happened to her.

I'll have to see if I can track down the episode. The wiki on Christina says, "Little is known about Christina Wells, but here are the facts: She is the only child of Helena G. Wells. She was eight when she was murdered. She was likely born in 1891 as she died in 1899. Her Mom loved her."

Assuming that timeline is right then Christina would've been two in the flashbacks in 3x05, not eight much less dead.

I'd imagined Helena was in black as she came down the stairs out of mourning for her daughter.

I don't remember the color of the dress she was wearing before she changed into men's clothes, but I'd have thought if she was in mourning for someone then someone at the party, or Woolly himself, would have offered her some condolences. Nobody seemed to view her as if she was, or should, be distressed.

I would've thought if Christina were still alive, she would've made reference to it.

If Christina was two at the time, in the Victorian flashbacks, it'd be appropriate for the child to be "out of sight out of mind." The saying, "Children should be seen and not heard," is a Victorian one.

At least in present day.

Ah. I can't remember if there was any mention of H.G. having had a daughter in the episode. I'll have to give it a rewatch clearly.

Then again, I've been up since 3 AM.

Go to bed. We can talk about this PM, and get it out of Ith's journal.

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sure she said before they went into the flashback that her daughter had been dead for two years.

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

Yeah, she did. That I've gotten checked. It means, if they/she said her daughter died in 1899 second season, one of two things has happened--

1) They not only changed H.G. Wells' characterization third season, but the date of her daughter's death. They shifted it from 1899 to 1891.
Or
2) They/she haven't told the real story about Christina's death yet.

I really need to know which episode the first version of Christina's story is in, and get a look at it. I need to know if the only way in which Christina's story has been told is by/through H.G. Wells. Whether or not there has been any sort of independent verification of the story makes a difference. Though how much of one might be debatable. I don't know how much H.G. Wells might have been able to fudge over the outside data. I really need to know more about her.

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

I've only seen the episodes once, when they originally aired, so I don't remember that sort of detail [g]

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

*Nods.* It's okay. I like to do research. It just takes time. I mean for the first time in what feels like a long time I've got three stories I really want to not just get written, but done right. It's just one requires revisiting Auschwitz while it was actively in operation as a Nazi Death Camp, one requires studying up on a character in a TV series I only watched a bit its first season, and one involves finding the voices of characters I loved when I was younger but haven't seen in years.

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

It'll be nice seeing him as a character I like, because he just seems like the kind guy you want to like. Or something like that [g]

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

Gareth is terrific! I wasn't that big a fan of him personally when I went to Torchsong. I loved John Barrowman, and the characters Captain Jack Harkness and Ianto Jones, but I hadn't given GDL much thought. After getting to meet Gareth I realized how great he is as a person. I still find John more physically attractive, but I love them both to bits now. It's why I was so happy to see John share a picture of the two of them together doing the audio recordings for the radio plays that aired in the UK before MD started.

[kimuro.livejournal.com]

I'd prefer a spin-off show with H.G. and Wooly (played by Gareth David-Lloyd, aka Ianto Jones of Torchwood). That would be Steampunk! And Ianto! And H.G. fairly happy and not conflicted by guilt of attempting to murder the world.

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

There's always time travel. I have shippy feelings for Micah and Helen, so I adore it when they're on screen together.

[kimuro.livejournal.com]

Yes, there are very shippy vibes between HG and Micah - which Pete seems to pick up readily increasing his dislike for Helena. But I would still love to see a real steampunk show on tv, and HG Wells is the ultimate steampunk imho.