ithildin: (Wildwood)
Welcome to Forever Knight Episode discussion. We're starting at the beginning, and depending how it goes, we'll do one to two eps a week. Please feel free to pass the link on to any fellow FK fans!

Dark Knight, Air Date: May. 1992

Someone is killing a number of homeless people and draining their blood. Then a museum guard is killed the same way and a special artifact is stolen, a Mayan cup that Nick believes can help him become mortal again. Nick suspects that his old mentor Lacroix is in town and behind the murders. Forced into a partnership with the unbearable Detective Schanke, Nick has to face both Lacroix and the Homeless Killer while trying to protect his friends.. ~ via tv.com


FYI: for those just joining us, I do have the LJ set to accept anon, comments, so you don't have to have an LJ account to paticipate. Just remember to sign your comment so we have some reference point!

'For I Have Sinned' will be up on Tuesday.

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Date: 2006-05-24 04:12 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] sharpiesgal.livejournal.com
oh goodie...

bounce, bounce...

i loves nick...sigh

Date: 2006-05-24 04:23 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] eldritchhobbit.livejournal.com
Excellent! I just got the first two DVD sets, so I could refresh my memories. I loved this show. Is the third part of the DVD trilogy available, or is there any guesstimate as to when it might be?

Date: 2006-05-24 04:36 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Lilac Bridge)
No, there's no word on when, or even if, season 3 will become available. [keeping fingers crossed]

Date: 2006-05-24 04:41 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Tea Lady)
Bleah, Nick [g]

This is probably a good time to mention it, but there's quite a bit of (usually) good natured ribbing between character factions. LillieW, who you've seen commenting, for example, is a Nick and Natpacker, and I'm a Cousin and a Ravenette (LaCroix and Janette are my favourite characters). And we've spent about ten years picking on each other over that :) So no one take anything I say too seriously, k? I'll try and remember to use emoticons when I'm just kidding around.

Date: 2006-05-24 04:44 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] sharpiesgal.livejournal.com
no worries...i'm use to getting ribbed about my favorites...i do like LaCroix and Janette as well...

Date: 2006-05-24 04:50 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] eldritchhobbit.livejournal.com
Argh! Ah well. Thanks. :)

Date: 2006-05-24 06:12 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] meredevachon
meredevachon: (vachon)
Bleah, Nick [g]

I second that. :P

I'm a Vaquera (Vachon fan) first and foremost (as if people couldn't tell by my nickname) with Natpacker (notice the lack of Nick), Cousin, and Ravenette tendencies.

So this should be fun.

Date: 2006-05-24 06:28 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Wildwood)
I liked Vachon as well. I would have loved to see him and Janette interact. I actually wrote him for the first time a few months back. I hadn't planned on it, but he just walked into the story :)

Date: 2006-05-24 07:02 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] lilliew.livejournal.com
What always got me about this episode versus the rest is that they make LaCroix out to be evil, meddling and annoying, especially in first season, then seem to change gears in 2nd and then 3rd season and he mellows out. And the whole coming back after being staked in this episode.

It was a good introduction to the series, however. I still remember the look on Nick's face when Nat told him he had gotten blood from Schanke for his transfusion.

They sorta dropped the whole theme of Nick helping the homeless out, however. Convenient plot device.

Beer Fridges!

Date: 2006-05-24 07:05 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Maple leaves)
The first time I saw Dark Knight was at Syndicon West 1996 at my room party. It was memorable not just for that reason alone, it was also memorable because Nigel Bennett was in attendance and gave a blow by blow narration of the entire thing. And because of that, the thing I will always remember about the episode? The beer fridges! Nigel kept commenting on how the Raven set was in a real bar for the pilot, and those were actual beer fridges! Whenever I see it now, I point to the screen and announce, 'those are real beer fridges!'

One of the things that will be interesting is my perspective of these first season eps from those of you who saw the series from the beginning. (something we've discussed during the Methos discussions) I didn't see FK till mid second season, so by the time I finally got to see first season, my POV had been coloured by what happened after. Probably my take on LaCroix is quite different due to that.

Flashback Perspective

Date: 2006-05-24 07:09 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Lantern Reflection)
Brings up the whole issue of Nick's FBs in season one. The LaCroix we see in those is much different than the one we see in RL in S2/3 and in S2/3 FBs. Not just the Billy Idol hair. I've always rather liked the rationalization that Nick felt guilty about killing LaCroix and so remembered him during that period in the worst light.

Date: 2006-05-24 08:45 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] havocthecat
havocthecat: the lady of shalott (Default)
Ah, Dark Knight. Nick, back before I wanted to smack him senseless. *has whole big long disseration on this topic* LaCroix gets seriously burninated dead. Natalie's at her most optimistic and adorable in first season. Janette never fails to both amuse me and delight me. And I really ought to go back and watch "For I Have Sinned" now that I have s2 on DVD.

For those that don't know me, I'm a NatPacker. Which basically means that I adore Natalie, occasionally like Nick, and not so occasionally have seething issues with the emotional morass that those two get put in.

But! I do bounce. ;)

(Ith, will you be linking the FK discussions in a sidebar like you are with your Methos discussions? Which I haven't had time to participate in, sadly.)

Re: Beer Fridges!

Date: 2006-05-24 08:46 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] havocthecat
havocthecat: the lady of shalott (Default)
So...elaborate? On the take on LaCroix differing from those of us who started watching in s1, that is.

*started watching with the Rick Springfield movie but doesn't want to admit it*

Date: 2006-05-24 08:49 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] havocthecat
havocthecat: the lady of shalott (Default)
In my eyes, the A-plot was always a CPD to move the B-plot characterization along. Because I've got to say, I never watched it for the cop aspect.

Hm. I don't know if LC mellowed 2nd season. I feel like he *did* mellow during s3, but maybe it's because the series was always filmed through a prism of Nick's POV (imo, and did that even make sense?), and Nick had mellowed toward LC by the end of s3.

Date: 2006-05-24 08:51 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] havocthecat
havocthecat: the lady of shalott (Default)
Have you ever seen Ben's Stargate ep? I didn't recognize him 'til later. He was clean-shaven and with short hair, after all.

OT: Hi.......

Date: 2006-05-24 09:32 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] dracschick.livejournal.com
I just friended you after finding your LJ through one of the flist communities that I belong to. I'm a huge FK fan, having watched the series since it was originally entitled "Crimetime after Primetime" in '92 on CBS. My fav characters are Lacroix and Vachon.

Other fandoms that I enjoy are Dracula/vampires (fan way over 20 years, I'm 36), Phantom of the Opera (since '89) and the anime/manga Hellsing.

Feel free to read my LJ, my Phantom-Dracula stories (been writing on and off since '92 in print zines) and friend me. I enjoy making new LJ buddies who share my interests:)

Take care,
Chris

Re: Beer Fridges!

Date: 2006-05-24 09:54 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] sharpiesgal.livejournal.com
Are you a rick springfield closet whore???

(I mean that in the nicest fashion, 'cause I am.)

Re: OT: Hi.......

Date: 2006-05-24 09:56 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] sharpiesgal.livejournal.com
Another Chris is here could get dangerous, but Hi to ya...

the other Chris

Fan Groups?

Date: 2006-05-24 10:09 pm (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
Not to sound dumb, but what is a Vaquera, Cousin, Natpacker, Ravenette, etc? If they relate to favorite characters, what are Schanke fans, Tracy fans, or any of the rolling Captain fans called?

Cousin really has me perplexed.

As an FYI my favorite character is LaCroix. Next to Methos of Highlander he is the most intriguing character ever on TV, and has all the best lines not to mention "attitude".

Roberta

Re: OT: Hi.......

Date: 2006-05-24 10:10 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] eldritchhobbit.livejournal.com
Hey! Just wanted to say hi - it's good to see you here. :)

Date: 2006-05-24 10:16 pm (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
I'm a NatPacker. Which basically means that I adore Natalie,

I liked the Natalie character (loved her hair) but sometimes found the romance thing with Nick a little contrived. Always wanted Nick with Janette. They made a better couple.

I wished instead of Tracy they had introduced a young "mortal" male cop to be Nick's partner and he would fall for Nat to add some tension to the interplay between them.

Roberta

Re: Fan Groups?

Date: 2006-05-24 10:40 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Maple leaves)
Vaquera: Vachon
Cousin: LaCroix
Natpacker: Nat
Ravenette: Janette
Knightie: Nick
FoD - Friends of Don: Schanke
Perks: Tracy
Ratpackers: Screed
Cohenheads: Cohen

Then there's all sorts of couples factions.

Cousins... we're called Cousins (and my memory on this is slightly hazy) because a Knightie on FORKNI who hated frogs, got sent toy frogs by two different LaCroix fans, and she made the comment that they must be cousins. It became the faction name.

Date: 2006-05-24 10:43 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Maple leaves)
(Ith, will you be linking the FK discussions in a sidebar like you are with your Methos discussions? Which I haven't had time to participate in, sadly.)

If I get oganized enough, probably.

Re: OT: Hi.......

Date: 2006-05-24 10:45 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] dracschick.livejournal.com
Nice to see you around as well:)

Re: Beer Fridges!

Date: 2006-05-24 10:47 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ithildyn.livejournal.com
ext_9031: (Maple leaves)
Well, the first ep I saw was "Close Call", then "Curiouser and Curiouser", and 'Stranger than Fiction". I started out with a LaCroix who wasn't the devil incarnate like he's presented in a lot of season one FBs. If I'd seen the series from the beginning, while no doubt Nick would still have gotten on my nerves [g], I may have been a little more in his corner and less inclined to have LaCroix become my favourite character. Maybe!
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