'Indiscretions'

[ithildin]

Welcome to the eighteenth installment of Methos Episode Discussion. You can find the last one, for Archangel here. All prior episode discussion links can be found over on the sidebar.

Indiscretions, Air Date: May 1998

Methos and Joe Dawson join forces when past indiscretions threaten their lives-- and loved ones-- in the present. Morgan Walker has been nursing a grudge against Methos for two hundred years, and now he may finally get the chance to take his revenge... by kidnapping Joe's daughter. ~ recap and quotes via tv.com

Quotes below the curtain





Walker: I've waited almost two hundred years for this.
Methos: Do the words 'obsessive-compulsive' mean anything to you?
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Joe: You have to turn the car around.
Methos: Why?
Joe: You're going the wrong way!
Methos: I beg to disagree, the bullets are back that way!
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Methos: Just because I don't like to fight doesn't mean I can't.
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Methos: Joe, we actually make a really good team. We could be like Scully and Mulder.
Joe: Yeah, right.
Methos: Sipowitz and Simone.
Joe: Whatever.
Methos: Caligula and Incutatis. No, maybe not Incutatis, cause he was a horse...
Joe: Will you shut up!
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Joe: Just cause you couldn't keep it in your pants two hundred years ago, you expect me to turn over the Chronicles.
Methos: That was the basic idea, yes.
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Comments

[ekaterinn.livejournal.com]

Oh, I agree it's in character - it just annoys me because *everybody* seems to either ignore Charlotte or use her as an excuse.

I do love this episode - Methos and Joe are very easy with each other, and it reminds me that they probably knew each other for years before Joe found out "Adam" was Methos. ^_^

[eveningblue.livejournal.com]

I do love this episode - Methos and Joe are very easy with each other, and it reminds me that they probably knew each other for years before Joe found out "Adam" was Methos. ^_^

Yes, doesn't Jim Byrnes say something to this effect in the commentary? I always find it a bit jarring when reading a piece of fanfic that refers to them as friends from way back or drinking buddies or whatever, maybe because I can't wrap my head around the logistics of it all (did Joe split his time between Paris and Seacouver for years and years? I guess as Duncan's watcher he would have). In that case, yeah, he probably would have hung out with Adam quite a bit.

I think it's interesting to know the backstories the actors give their characters that, while maybe never making it explicitly onscreen, come across in the way they relate to each other.

In the case of Joe and Methos, there would be easy familiarity, but also some resentment on Joe's part because of Methos's lying about his identity all that time, and also some awe at being in the presence of such an old guy.

On Methos's part, there seems to be fierce loyalty, as Pat mentions below. He protects the people he cares about, and Joe is one of those people.

[ekaterinn.livejournal.com]

In the case of Joe and Methos, there would be easy familiarity, but also some resentment on Joe's part because of Methos's lying about his identity all that time, and also some awe at being in the presence of such an old guy.

*nods* I think it must be difficult for Joe at times - he knows it's Methos, but sometimes I think he responds to "Adam" instead. I love the part in "Judgement Day", where "Adam" defends Joes's friendship with MacLeod, and Joe whispers to Duncan: "Pierson for the defense. Perfect." It's a bit sarcastic, but also affectionate and grateful.

On Methos's part, there seems to be fierce loyalty, as Pat mentions below. He protects the people he cares about, and Joe is one of those people.

Yes, yes, yes.

For all these reasons, I quite like the Methos/Joe pairing - they really do seem to work well together and geniunely care about each other.

[eveningblue.livejournal.com]

he knows it's Methos, but sometimes I think he responds to "Adam" instead. I love the part in "Judgement Day", where "Adam" defends Joes's friendship with MacLeod, and Joe whispers to Duncan: "Pierson for the defense. Perfect." It's a bit sarcastic, but also affectionate and grateful.

That's a good example.

Another one that comes to mind is in "Finale," when they're walking away from Christine's house after Methos has cut himself to show her he's Immortal. Joe is obviously still getting used to the fact that his friend Adam is actually Methos the Aged Immortal. He doesn't yet know what to expect from him, and expects more than Methos can offer. "I'm just a guy," Methos says.

By the time of "The Messenger," Joe is perhaps more comfortable with who Methos is. He no longer expects great wisdom from him.

Actually, it's interesting to think of all their scenes together in the context of this new (to Joe) information, and how he responds and adapts to it over time.

[robi-travels.livejournal.com]

"Methos and Joe are very easy with each other, "

Actually why was Joe so angry at the beginning of the episode when he finds Methos snooping. I mean, Methos always disappears, he is a big snoop, beer swiping, lay about that we all love, so what was different this time? Joe did not know Amy was kidnapped at that point. Did not quite get the animosity at the beginning.

Roberta

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

Because the last time he saw him was in "Archangel".

[robi-travels.livejournal.com]

Well yes, but I found that annoying, since almost all of season six was sans Methos and he actually got permanent billing in the credits, not guest star status - so what was up with that?

But, Methos disappears and Joe should know better, it just seemed weird. I would have expected Joe to chew him out then say something like - Don't do it again!, the way a parent would to a child, since "Adam" can be so adolescent at times.

Roberta

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

Peter was doing Noah's Ark at the time, and couldn't do Highlander, but they never explained where he was, he was just gone. Joe was left all alone to deal with the aftermath of Richie's death.

[mackiedockie.livejournal.com]

It is easy to forget that quite a long time passed from the end of Archangel to Indiscretions, and Joe was quite probably hassled unmercifully by the watchers for losing not only his main assignment, Duncan, but also the Legendary Methos. Never mind it wasn't his fault the one was passably deranged and the other Not Really His Job.

That little sabbatical cost Joe a lot according to the Watcher CD semi-canon--he sold his bar in Seacouver, took a demotion and moved to Paris to wait out MacLeod, betting he'd return there _sometime._ In that, he had MacLeod wired. But Methos was in the wind, and maybe Joe expected just a shade more than that from the old guy.

Yes, he's pretty angry, but I think it's as much at the fact Methos is breaking into his files, and if the Watchers found out about that on top of everything else, what Joe has left of a career, and probably his life, would be pretty well forfeit.

First Scene with Joe and Methos

[robi-travels.livejournal.com]

"That little sabbatical cost Joe a lot according to the Watcher CD semi-canon--he sold his bar in Seacouver, took a demotion and moved to Paris "

There is a Watcher CD with cannon?

Also, I guess I never realized the Watchers knew Adam was Methos. Even after the horsemen, I figured they chalked Adam up as a new immortal who got caught in a Cassandra / Kronos fight involving MacLeod. I mean MacLeod had the past with Marvin Koran aka Kronos and with Cassandra.

But maybe that explains why Adam would need to break in to get Joe's computer netwrok access. Although, it appears he had the passwords, etc., just lost a secure connection.

Roberta

Re: First Scene with Joe and Methos

[mackiedockie.livejournal.com]

Panzer Davis marketed a Watcher Chronicles CD of the first 5 seasons a long time back with lots of little snippets of information about the Watchers and Immortals. Some of it was a little vague or contradictory, and it isn't widely available, so I tend to consider it Not Quite Canon. *g*