'Indiscretions'

[ithildin]

Welcome to the eighteenth installment of Methos Episode Discussion. You can find the last one, for Archangel here. All prior episode discussion links can be found over on the sidebar.

Indiscretions, Air Date: May 1998

Methos and Joe Dawson join forces when past indiscretions threaten their lives-- and loved ones-- in the present. Morgan Walker has been nursing a grudge against Methos for two hundred years, and now he may finally get the chance to take his revenge... by kidnapping Joe's daughter. ~ recap and quotes via tv.com

Quotes below the curtain





Walker: I've waited almost two hundred years for this.
Methos: Do the words 'obsessive-compulsive' mean anything to you?
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Joe: You have to turn the car around.
Methos: Why?
Joe: You're going the wrong way!
Methos: I beg to disagree, the bullets are back that way!
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Methos: Just because I don't like to fight doesn't mean I can't.
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Methos: Joe, we actually make a really good team. We could be like Scully and Mulder.
Joe: Yeah, right.
Methos: Sipowitz and Simone.
Joe: Whatever.
Methos: Caligula and Incutatis. No, maybe not Incutatis, cause he was a horse...
Joe: Will you shut up!
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Joe: Just cause you couldn't keep it in your pants two hundred years ago, you expect me to turn over the Chronicles.
Methos: That was the basic idea, yes.
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Comments

[keerawa.livejournal.com]

I remember a few months ago, some LJ person discussed this episode with me. We talked about the scene where Joe finally breaks down and confesses that he's leading Methos into a trap. She believed that, had Joe NOT admitted it at that point, Methos would have slid him from the "beloved friend" into the "unfortunate enemy" column. With the same results as it did with Silas.

And while that wasn't my take on the scene ... it's certainly possible, isn't it?

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

Now there's a thought. If Joe hadn't confessed, I don't think Methos would have killed him, but he may have very well have driven off and left Joe there by himself and that would have been the last he ever saw of Methos.

[robi-travels.livejournal.com]

"had Joe NOT admitted it at that point, Methos would have slid him from the "beloved friend" into the "unfortunate enemy" column. With the same results as it did with Silas."

Have to disagree with this one. I do not think Methos viewed Silas as an enemy. In fact, I think he very much cared for the big guy. Only problem was he could not see another way out. He had no choice at that time.

Methos is all about survival. Had he thought for a second he could have convinced Silas to drop the axe he would have. However, as much as they loved (no slash intended) each other he knew, that Silas, was Kronos' creature. The betrayal of Kronos and the Horsemen above all else sealed his fate with Silas because in some ways, Silas like MacLeod knew only black and white - One of them or Against them. Once he made the decision to let Cassandra live, he knew he had to fight and win or lose and die.

He hated it - cried about it, no doubt had a mild pang of guilt about it - given Silas's simple nature and the fact he pulled Silas back in for his own purposes, but - he did it to survive.

Roberta

[mackiedockie.livejournal.com]

I don't know--Methos reads Joe very well, and he certainly knows the sight (and feel) of a man caught on the horns of a dilemma. I'm almost amazed he didn't make a horny joke ;)

I don't think he would cast Joe into the enemy camp for struggling with weighing his daughter's life against endangering Methos. I do think that Methos would expect Joe to eventually realize that tactically and strategically they had a better chance to rescue Amy together than by acceding to Morgan's wishes. In fact, by teasing Joe unmercifully, Methos might have slowed down Joe's recognition of that fact.

Methos' plan is clearly better, and Joe falls in with it with no little enthusiasm. Too bad Duncan didn't listen nearly so well in "To Be..." , he might not have freaked out Joe so much by offering up his head. All in all, I'd say Joe had the superior learning curve, and Methos suspected as much *eg*.

[ithildyn.livejournal.com]

All in all, I'd say Joe had the superior learning curve, and Methos suspected as much *eg*.

Heh heh heh.

Agreed!

[multimedea.livejournal.com]

Yes, that is a great line...and so</> true.

Learning Curve

[robi-travels.livejournal.com]

"All in all, I'd say Joe had the superior learning curve, and Methos suspected as much *eg*."

ABSOLUTELY!!!