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...I watch Revelations 6:8, the Slinky Quickening never fails to amuse me. Talk about unintentional humour in what was supposed to be a dramatic moment.

And no matter how many times I watch the two Horsemen eps, I still come away totally ticked off at Duncan.

Some things are eternal [g]

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I actually don't believe Duncan would have accepted Methos if he'd told him about his past. And I honestly don't see that Methos had any sort of obligation to tell Duncan about his past. Actions mean more than words, and Methos' actions over the course of his friendship with Duncan should have counted for more IMHO.

Maybe I'm looking at this from too much of a RL perspective, but I don't expect my friends to share everything about themselves with me. It isn't necessary for then to share everything for me to trust them. That's based on their actions towards me, not on their past.

But this is one of those things we're never going to agree on :)

I don't understand why you think Duncan would never have accepted Methos if he had told him the truth. As you pointed out with Darius, Duncan's actions already prove that he would. He knew what Darius was. Darius was honest with him and Duncan accepted him. His actions are pretty straight forward and pretty much put to rest the theory that he would not have understood or accepted the truth.

Interesting that in the episode in season 1 when Tessa finds out an old college friend was a prostitute, it was Tessa who was shocked and unaccepting. It was Duncan who took up for her and understood. He also took up for and understood Richie's past and Richie's dad's past. In fact, there are numerous instances where Duncan's actions prove that he was, indeed, understanding of other's faults and pasts as long as they were honest and took responsibility for the.

How about the guy who was responsible for those children being murdered? Duncan wanted to kill him - *until* the guy came clean, admitted the deed and took responsibilty for it. Then Duncan could not kill him as that man no longer existed. Duncan has proven the fallacy of the theory that he would not have understood repeadtedly.

Mostly because Methos meant something to Duncan. I think finding out about his true past would have been something he couldn't accept right away. In time, probably, but not initially. And then we wouldn't have had any more Methos episodes!

And honestly, as many gripes as I have over it all, as far as great drama goes [snerk] the way Methos' past was revealed couldn't really be improved upon. Just those scenes with Kronos in the present day were worth the price of admission.

Oh, and something I didn't mention last night, but was griping about with Nin: Methos and Cassandra and their joint idiot moment. Both of them assuming the buzz they felt was Duncan! Is that some sort of Bronze Age senility? Makes me throw socks at the screen every time!

Honestly much as I love Methos, is something that big something you should just accept straight away?

I think I agree with Pat though that Duncan would eventually have accepted it better if Methos had been the one to tell him about it. In fairness I think Methos was about to tell him before Cassandra interrupted.

Mostly because Methos meant something to Duncan. I think finding out about his true past would have been something he couldn't accept right away. In time, probably, but not initially.

Exactly!! Which goes back to what I said initially. It wasn't his past that he couldn't accept. It's because Methos meant something to him. It was the betrayal, the lack of honesty. It was the fact that Methos hurt Duncan that he had trouble accepting. His anger wasn't coming from Methos' past. His anger was coming from his hurt and anger that Methos had lied to him, and betrayed his trust. Methos wounded Duncan. When Duncan says "we're through" there were tears in his eyes. He had just lost something very precious to him - Methos friendship. Not because he wanted to throw it away, but because Methos wounded it with his lies. He took Duncan's trust, friendship and caring and threw it back in his face at the Jimmy.

When Joe was trying to talk to him, Joe was talking about the past Horsemen. Duncan wasn't. He was pacing, shouting because he was hurt - not for what Methos had done in the Bronze age. But because of what Methos had done to him. He felt like he'd been made a fool and he had to wonder if Methos had been using him and making fun of him this entire time.