Welcome to the sixteenth installment of Methos Episode Discussion. You can find the last one, for Forgive Us Our Trespasses here. All prior episode discussion links can be found over on the sidebar.
Quotes below the curtain
Duncan: Duncan: Cut the crap - Mike is dead because of him.
Methos: No, Mike is dead because of Mike.
Duncan: The kid idolized him. Maybe he didn't pull the trigger but he sure as hell put the gun in his hand. "To live like me you have to be like me." Come on, Methos, Mike couldn't do that, he wasn't Immortal.
Methos: And that is not Byron's fault
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Byron: My task is done. My song has ceased. My theme has died into an echo...it is fit.
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Byron: Would you rather have a tombstone that says "he lived for centuries', or one that says 'for centuries, he was alive"?
Methos: You're not listening to me - I don't want a tombstone.
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Next up will beIndiscretions aka The Methos & Joe Show 'Archangel'.
The Modern Prometheus, Air Date: May 1997
Lord Byron, the brilliant Romantic poet, is alive and well and living the decadent life of a rock star. He lives life way over the edge and has taken some promising young musicians over the edge with him. When following in Byron's footsteps tragically ends the life of Dawson's protege, MacLeod is faced with a decision -- is the beauty and genius that is Byron worth the cost? ~ recap and quotes via tv.com
Quotes below the curtain
Duncan: Duncan: Cut the crap - Mike is dead because of him.
Methos: No, Mike is dead because of Mike.
Duncan: The kid idolized him. Maybe he didn't pull the trigger but he sure as hell put the gun in his hand. "To live like me you have to be like me." Come on, Methos, Mike couldn't do that, he wasn't Immortal.
Methos: And that is not Byron's fault
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Byron: My task is done. My song has ceased. My theme has died into an echo...it is fit.
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Byron: Would you rather have a tombstone that says "he lived for centuries', or one that says 'for centuries, he was alive"?
Methos: You're not listening to me - I don't want a tombstone.
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Next up will be
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Date: 2006-06-12 06:23 pm (UTC)From:But then there is *this* side of the coin. No matter what you think of Duncan's and Methos' relationship - if you think they were just friends - or if you *know* they were lovers because they were *g* -
was there not a certain amount of jealousy in that entire scenerio - on both Duncan's and Byron's part? Byron started yanking Duncan's chain almost immediately. And Duncan became very possessive of Methos at that point. Maybe he couldn't beat his chest and grab Methos and yell "mine" - but he could show his possessive in other ways - such as including Mike under his protection and letting Byron know that what Duncan held dear was off limits in no uncertain terms.
Was he substituting Mike in the equation to get to Byron? Knowing Methos wouldn't allow it if it were about him?
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Date: 2006-06-12 06:28 pm (UTC)From:And just remember when you notice all the undercurrents of jealousy and anger -
lovers and passion
Adrian directed this episode. He put everyone of those little moments in there. And he knew exactly what he was doing. There is a vid and gosh durn it, I don't remember the name - but it was great and it showed that scene in the bar and the song goes on about warning one another off. It is very cool.
P.s. did you notice that when they are at the bar, Duncan is sitting across the table from Methos? But after he meets Byron, he scoots right up next to him to sit?
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Date: 2006-06-12 07:35 pm (UTC)From:jealousy?
Date: 2006-06-12 11:43 pm (UTC)From:Yes, I see the jealousy. It's a small thing, but something about the way Duncan says, " 'Doc' "? to Methos after Byron has left in that very first scene. There is an undercurrent of jealousy there, imho.
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Date: 2006-06-12 11:57 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2006-06-13 06:37 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2006-06-20 01:51 am (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2006-06-12 06:36 pm (UTC)From:You've brought up something I was going to, but hadn't got my brain sufficiently in gear to do so. You know when you have something you want to say right on the tip of your brain, and can't quite get it out right? That's me right now.
I'm going to think about it some more and try and see if I can do better in a bit :)
One thing though I think is related -- when Byron greets Methos as "Doc" in the nightclub and is thrilled to see him. That's where it all seems to start. As if it hadn't quite occured to Duncan that Methos wasn't exlcusivly his friend. That Methos had a life before he met Mac with relationships that were important to him. It was almost as if Duncan were suddenly seeing Methos in a different light. Not Adam Pierson, not the Methos he thought he knew.
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Date: 2006-06-12 11:44 pm (UTC)From: