Welcome to the sixteenth installment of Methos Episode Discussion. You can find the last one, for Forgive Us Our Trespasses here. All prior episode discussion links can be found over on the sidebar.
Quotes below the curtain
Duncan: Duncan: Cut the crap - Mike is dead because of him.
Methos: No, Mike is dead because of Mike.
Duncan: The kid idolized him. Maybe he didn't pull the trigger but he sure as hell put the gun in his hand. "To live like me you have to be like me." Come on, Methos, Mike couldn't do that, he wasn't Immortal.
Methos: And that is not Byron's fault
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Byron: My task is done. My song has ceased. My theme has died into an echo...it is fit.
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Byron: Would you rather have a tombstone that says "he lived for centuries', or one that says 'for centuries, he was alive"?
Methos: You're not listening to me - I don't want a tombstone.
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Next up will beIndiscretions aka The Methos & Joe Show 'Archangel'.
The Modern Prometheus, Air Date: May 1997
Lord Byron, the brilliant Romantic poet, is alive and well and living the decadent life of a rock star. He lives life way over the edge and has taken some promising young musicians over the edge with him. When following in Byron's footsteps tragically ends the life of Dawson's protege, MacLeod is faced with a decision -- is the beauty and genius that is Byron worth the cost? ~ recap and quotes via tv.com
Quotes below the curtain
Duncan: Duncan: Cut the crap - Mike is dead because of him.
Methos: No, Mike is dead because of Mike.
Duncan: The kid idolized him. Maybe he didn't pull the trigger but he sure as hell put the gun in his hand. "To live like me you have to be like me." Come on, Methos, Mike couldn't do that, he wasn't Immortal.
Methos: And that is not Byron's fault
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Byron: My task is done. My song has ceased. My theme has died into an echo...it is fit.
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Byron: Would you rather have a tombstone that says "he lived for centuries', or one that says 'for centuries, he was alive"?
Methos: You're not listening to me - I don't want a tombstone.
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Date: 2006-06-15 01:38 am (UTC)From:As for Methos, I believe he cares about those lives that are personally important to him. From the viewpoing of his longevity, the rest are just passing through. As he told Duncan in The Valkyrie, the tide of history will out, and there is little any individual can to do change it, so why try?
Byron was someone he cared about, and the mortal deaths he was responsible for were not important enough to make any real attempt to stop him, so Methos was prepared to let him continue his actions, regardless of who else died.
And Methos is sure as hell no pacifist (not that I really thought you were trying to say he was). We know he can be an utterly ruthless killer when it suits his purposes.
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Date: 2006-06-15 02:49 am (UTC)From:Yes, Methos was prepared to allow Byron to continue. Because I would guess he disagreed that Byron was committing any crime more than being a manipulative dick, or is responsible for more than a heavy case of pressure on his "victims". The men who died had choices.
No matter what ugly pressure Byron put on them, they chose how they would respond. ANd I think that's where we'll continue to disagree as well!
I'm not saying Duncan is has bad intentions, or is even wrong in his impulse to act against what he sees as injustice. Just that in this instance I don't think it's as clear-cut as in others, whether his opponent's "crimes" deserved the "sentance."
I need to do more thinking. Like I said, having a hard time articulating what I mean.