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Welcome to the fifth installment of Methos Episode discussion. You can find the last one, for 'Timeless' here.
Next up will be Methuselah's Gift . Look for it on Thursday.
Deliverance, Air Date: Feb. 1996
MacLeod arrives in France, leaving a trail of hate and destruction in his wake. Methos finds him and discovers just how evil MacLeod has become when he tries to take Methos' head on holy ground. After MacLeod kills another good friend, Methos realizes that the only way to save MacLeod may be to kill him. ~ via tv.com
Next up will be Methuselah's Gift . Look for it on Thursday.
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Date: 2006-05-09 05:51 pm (UTC)From:Does nobody but me find evil!Duncan almost laughable? I mean, how do we know he's evil? He's wearing an earring, that's how! Okay, the thing with the woman was distrubing and killing Sean Burns was sad, but the rest of it seems more like teenage hijinks than anything else. He's certainly not up to Horsemen-levels of terror.
And as for Methos - well I read his attempts to save Duncan (while his girlfriend is dying elsewhere) as love, sexual or not, and the knowledge that if somebody had to take Duncan's head, it should be either a mortal (which would mean that Duncan's quickening would be lost) or an Immortal able to handle a Dark Quickening, like Methos.
Of course, I also thought the holy spring was silly too, and entertained a theory that Methos had spiked the water with LSD, told Duncan to go battle his dark side, and hoped for the best.
Um, in conclusion, I snickered much of the way through what was supposed to be a pretty serious episode. Not the most convincing display of Duncan's dark side, but, hey, at least it's pretty slashy!
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Date: 2006-05-09 06:10 pm (UTC)From:I will admit there are several bits during that episode that get a few raised eyebrows from me. I said in one of the earlier comments, I think it was mostly to get Duncan in the Holy Hot Tub so he could writhe around all wet. Heh!
Also, I think they needed to have some sort of reason for him to kill Sean so he could get all angsty over it.
I always have Empire Strikes Back flashbacks actually during the water scene-- you know, Luke in the tree battling Vader while Yoda looks on. I have been known to say to the screen, "Anger leads to the dark side, young Jedi'. But I'm a geek :)
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Date: 2006-05-09 08:00 pm (UTC)From:I have no objections to Duncan being all wet. *g* Though the way he drove the stolen car was pretty giggle-inducing.
*grins* Would that make Methos Yoda then? They could be around the same age, I guess. *ducks* I still like my LSD theory though. Might fic that someday.
Actually, now that I think about it, Methos could have all sorts of reasons for attempting to save the Highlander's head - Duncan could pose a danger to Joe, who is Methos's friend as well. I also liked the comment about the Game somebody made above, though I'm not sure if Methos believes in the Game.
Looks at long, rambly comment. Yes, I am procastinating on my last paper, why do you ask? *g*
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Date: 2006-05-09 08:26 pm (UTC)From:The more the merrier!
I have no objections to Duncan being all wet. *g* Though the way he drove the stolen car was pretty giggle-inducing.
Nothing to do with anything, but wasn't that an awesome view? The ocean that is, not Methos :)
*grins* Would that make Methos Yoda then? They could be around the same age, I guess. *ducks* I still like my LSD theory though. Might fic that someday.
Well, Yoda had all sorts of roots and herbs in his stump....
Actually, now that I think about it, Methos could have all sorts of reasons for attempting to save the Highlander's head - Duncan could pose a danger to Joe, who is Methos's friend as well. I also liked the comment about the Game somebody made above, though I'm not sure if Methos believes in the Game.
That's the thing with Methos -- you're never entirely sure what his motivations are.
Looks at long, rambly comment. Yes, I am procastinating on my last paper, why do you ask? *g*
LJ comments are the best for procrastinating!
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Date: 2006-05-09 08:48 pm (UTC)From:It was! Such a pretty day too. (and a pretty Methos - yes, with me, such clarifications are always good!)
Well, Yoda had all sorts of roots and herbs in his stump....
*g* I would say the LSD theory would make more sense than a holy spring designed to give you a *literal* dark side, but this *is* HL we're talking about. *mocks because she loves*
That's the thing with Methos -- you're never entirely sure what his motivations are.
Indeed! I've been re-reading (and reading new-to-me fics) since and friend and I rewatched most of the Methos episodes during my winter break, and one thing I've come to apperciate is the elasticity of the character. With good enough writing, I can believe almost any portrayal of Methos, from the more Adam Pierson side of the spectrum to Death. Though it's also one of the reasons I'm having trouble writing my Methos fic ideas (besides schoolwork) - it's hard to settle on one Methos!
(Although I'm more to the Adam Pierson side - who is now sprawled out on my couch, drinking my beer and laughing at my curse-filled attempts to write this paper. Yes, I'm insane. It's not the first time an imaginary character has taken up residence in my brain. *g*)
LJ comments are the best for procrastinating!
Hee. So they are! I hope I'm at least being entertaining though. ^_^
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Date: 2006-05-09 10:53 pm (UTC)From:A pretty day, a pretty view, and a pretty Methos. What more could a girl ask
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Indeed! I've been re-reading (and reading new-to-me fics) since and friend and I rewatched most of the Methos episodes during my winter break, and one thing I've come to apperciate is the elasticity of the character. With good enough writing, I can believe almost any portrayal of Methos, from the more Adam Pierson side of the spectrum to Death. Though it's also one of the reasons I'm having trouble writing my Methos fic ideas (besides schoolwork) - it's hard to settle on one Methos!
Yes, oh yes! I'm having some of the same problems myself. And while I'm wrestling with one story, a few other story ideas pop into my head! Argh! Right now, he's being snippy, and I want to smack him upside the head :)
Yes, I'm insane. It's not the first time an imaginary character has taken up residence in my brain. *g*)
What? That's somehow unusual [g]? I have several imaginary characters in my brain who've taken up residence and ordered room service!
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Date: 2006-05-09 11:16 pm (UTC)From:Beer? ...I've spending too much time with "Adam", aren't I?
Right now, he's being snippy, and I want to smack him upside the head :)
Heh. You're lucky, he's being sardonic with me: "Go on, tell the truth, you just can't decide which way to torture me first!" *throws pillow at him* *misses* "Oooh, I'm scared now!" Drat.
I have several imaginary characters in my brain who've taken up residence and ordered room service!
*laughs* *chokes on idea of Methos meeting up with Rodney. Or House. Or any of the other characters I keep in my head*
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Date: 2006-05-09 11:21 pm (UTC)From:Personally, I'd prefer a nice red wine, but I'm not fussy.
*laughs* *chokes on idea of Methos meeting up with Rodney. Or House. Or any of the other characters I keep in my head*
I've come this close to putting House and Methos in the same room. I wrote a HL/Grey's anatomy crossover where House made a cameo, but couldn't work the meeting into that story. But, I have a feeling it will happen in a sequel.
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Date: 2006-05-10 07:41 am (UTC)From:If you ever feel the need to explore that possibility, feel free to join
We already have Methos (minemineminemine) and Rodney, but House is player-less (Vala too..).
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Date: 2006-05-10 05:37 pm (UTC)From:Now is that not a good thing?
Talking of muses I seem to have acquired Methos, House and Mac Taylor (CSI NY) nicely eclectic, but noisy in here as I am not writing anything (lots pwp going on though)
(lol in spelling preview eclectic came up as erotic! well it is that too of course!)
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Date: 2006-05-10 06:22 pm (UTC)From:You're evil. We like that, precious.
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Date: 2006-05-09 08:57 pm (UTC)From:Ha! That's one of the best theories I've ever heard!
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Date: 2006-05-10 12:16 am (UTC)From:He wore the earing in 'Duende', too.
Myself, I found it pretty damn hilarious that one of the measures of Duncan's terrible evilness had been his grabbing someone's car and driving it in circles all over the church's nicely tended lawn. For that matter, even the ordeal with Dominique wasn't... all that, either. So he lies to her and he seduces her--which is different from what 90% of the male population try to do on a regular basis how, exactly? I attribue the mildness of evil!Duncan to the times when the show was filmed; TV got so much more gritty in the last decade (think 24, for example). I'll bet if those two episodes were being filmed nowadays, he'd be raping that woman rather than romancing her with wine and glibe jokes, and she'd probably be sporting quite a few bruises afterward.
Having said that, I did like those episodes--mostly because I adore the evil!Duncan look and mannerisms. And yeah, the vivid slashiness didn't hurt any.
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Date: 2006-05-10 12:41 am (UTC)From:Me and my friend Toni, who I had been rewatching the Methos episodes with, broke down in giggles at that point. And again when he didn't stop at the stop sign, though I suppose it would have been even funnier if he had stopped.
I'll bet if those two episodes were being filmed nowadays, he'd be raping that woman rather than romancing her with wine and glibe jokes, and she'd probably be sporting quite a few bruises afterward.
*nods* You're most likely right. And I think the episode was trying to suggest that he would have moved on to rape and violence if Methos hadn't shown up when he did.
Having said that, I did like those episodes--mostly because I adore the evil!Duncan look and mannerisms. And yeah, the vivid slashiness didn't hurt any.
Oh, me too. And slashiness doesn't hurt anything. I mean, please, Methos left his *dying girlfriend* to come to the rescue, and risked his own life in the process. It's pretty easy to read slash into it (though possible not to) and we got great Methos facial expressions and lines out of it, ranging from fear in the church to amusement when Duncan steals the car. *grins*
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Date: 2006-05-10 05:57 pm (UTC)From:The writers took more risks with evil!Methos the following season, but then again he wasn't really heroic, or the hero of the show, to begin with.
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Date: 2006-05-10 09:47 pm (UTC)From:That's true - after all Duncan is set up to be quite the hero, and it isn't until later seasons that we get more of a taste of his "dark side".
The writers took more risks with evil!Methos the following season, but then again he wasn't really heroic, or the hero of the show, to begin with.
And his darkness was mostly in the past - Methos is set up as more of amibivalent in those two episodes. Plus, as you pointed out, he is not the main character.
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Date: 2006-05-13 04:00 am (UTC)From: (Anonymous)Actually I always wondered why they did not make the "evil' Duncan arc longer. It would have opened up a lot more story lines and probably been more interesting for the actors. I found evil Duncan interesting, mostly because he was not purely evil, but rather battling evil within himself - almost as if he was two people - at least that is how I interpreted the red eye thing they did to indicate evil Duncan had arrived.
Yes, as evil goes his actions were tame, hence they should have done longer.
Never liked the water thing - lame way out IMO.
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