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Welcome to the fifth installment of Methos Episode discussion. You can find the last one, for 'Timeless' here.
Next up will be Methuselah's Gift . Look for it on Thursday.
Deliverance, Air Date: Feb. 1996
MacLeod arrives in France, leaving a trail of hate and destruction in his wake. Methos finds him and discovers just how evil MacLeod has become when he tries to take Methos' head on holy ground. After MacLeod kills another good friend, Methos realizes that the only way to save MacLeod may be to kill him. ~ via tv.com
Next up will be Methuselah's Gift . Look for it on Thursday.
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Date: 2006-05-08 06:30 pm (UTC)From:A very different episode AP did nasty well (frightening) but that could have been me thinking oh my god he is going to kill him in the church! obviously what Methos was thinking too! and the sheer terror on PW face when he is handing him the clan sword was a sight to behold I can't find a picture though :(
I enjoyed the aftermath of the church too with Duncan stealing the car and Methos aside "I hope you're insured" strange man to keep his sense of humor at a time like that.
The whole fight at the spring was weird and I did think Methos had a death wish giving Duncan the sword after he had just hit him!
Will be interested to see what others thought.
Deliverance
Date: 2006-05-08 08:09 pm (UTC)From:First, I don't really understand the premise of the "dark Quickening." More precisely, I don't get why killing evil people doesn't *always* produce dire effects in the killer. Why doesn't Duncan turn a little bit evil every time he kills an evil Immortal? How does the whole transfer-of-energy even work during a Quickening?
Second, I don't get why Methos is going to all this trouble to save Duncan. It's very nice of him, it's very nice for us slashers, but why? "You're too important to lose" is not good enough.
Finally, it breaks my heart to see him kill Sean Burns. I hate the writers for doing that to him.
Re: Deliverance
Date: 2006-05-08 08:16 pm (UTC)From:The whole Dark Quickening thing... something I've been meaning to ask, because I no longer remember. Is it canon that Daruis becoming a good guy was due to a "Light Quickening"? I knew once, but now I don't. Brain's getting old :)
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Date: 2006-05-08 09:40 pm (UTC)From:*lol* nail, meet head..
Re: Deliverance
Date: 2006-05-08 09:52 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2006-05-08 09:52 pm (UTC)From:Duncan dying or staying evil would mean that Methos would have to find another horse to back as far as winning the Game goes. If it really was the time of the Gathering, he probably wouldn't have enough time to make the same level of investment in befriending the presumed winner.. and if it's Duncan (in good, honourable mode) he's got a better chance of living forever.
I don't buy the idea that Methos ever really let his skills get rusty, but anyone who attracts (and beats) as many K'Immies as Duncan has got to be good enough to give him a run for his money. If it comes down to just Duncan, Methos and maybe some of their friends, he can just appeal to Duncan's nice side and pull out a bottle of old whisky.
Then again, if a Dark Quickening's already tipped Duncan over once, what would happen if he (or anyone else) *had* to take Methos' head? There's still an ex-Horseman lurking around in there. Maybe that's contributing to his need to survive, not wanting to let all that get loose again *scratches head*
The Game
Date: 2006-05-08 10:02 pm (UTC)From:I don't really get the whole Game business either. Or The Gathering. Come to think of it, there's a lot about this show that I don't get.
(love your icon; Methos looks perfect in it. What episode is it from?)
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Date: 2006-05-08 11:00 pm (UTC)From:"There Can Be Only One" unless you're my mate, in which case it's your round :)
Regards the icon, I honestly don't know which episode it's from.. Found while searching for icon-fodder (same goes for this one). Bad Soph!
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Date: 2006-05-08 11:07 pm (UTC)From:"There Can Be Only A Few"!
Of course, wasn't Connor "The One" for a while? I remember he sure seemed to be at the end of the first movie. The Highlander universe isn't the most consistent one, that's for sure.
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Date: 2006-05-08 11:54 pm (UTC)From:As far as Methos - that's one of the things about him - are we ever really 100 % sure of his motives? And I know it's a slash responce - but why in the world would Methos ever try and put himself in the line of fire to help Duncan? He could have taken his head when he was dead instead of taking him to the church. He wanted Duncan saved. And the only reason I can possibly think of is because he loved him.
And then to give him the Claymore after seeing him kill Sean - Methos had to be nuts and in love.
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Date: 2006-05-08 11:55 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2006-05-09 12:05 am (UTC)From:BTW, I like yours, Pat, the Old As Time one. Very nice!
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Date: 2006-05-09 12:16 am (UTC)From:no subject
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Date: 2006-05-09 01:56 am (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2006-05-09 02:02 am (UTC)From:Nope! And that's part of the allure -- for me at least.
And I know it's a slash responce - but why in the world would Methos ever try and put himself in the line of fire to help Duncan? He could have taken his head when he was dead instead of taking him to the church. He wanted Duncan saved. And the only reason I can possibly think of is because he loved him.
But even if you don't see the slash aspect, as I don't, I certainly don't rule out love as a motivator. I've had several blog discussions over the last few years about different aspects of love, something the English language doesn't do a very good job of expressing. Do I think there's love between Duncan and Methos? Yes, I do. I just don't see it as a sexually expressed love. Not sure if that makes sense :)
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Date: 2006-05-09 06:53 am (UTC)From:no subject
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Date: 2006-05-09 06:55 am (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2006-05-09 05:51 pm (UTC)From:Does nobody but me find evil!Duncan almost laughable? I mean, how do we know he's evil? He's wearing an earring, that's how! Okay, the thing with the woman was distrubing and killing Sean Burns was sad, but the rest of it seems more like teenage hijinks than anything else. He's certainly not up to Horsemen-levels of terror.
And as for Methos - well I read his attempts to save Duncan (while his girlfriend is dying elsewhere) as love, sexual or not, and the knowledge that if somebody had to take Duncan's head, it should be either a mortal (which would mean that Duncan's quickening would be lost) or an Immortal able to handle a Dark Quickening, like Methos.
Of course, I also thought the holy spring was silly too, and entertained a theory that Methos had spiked the water with LSD, told Duncan to go battle his dark side, and hoped for the best.
Um, in conclusion, I snickered much of the way through what was supposed to be a pretty serious episode. Not the most convincing display of Duncan's dark side, but, hey, at least it's pretty slashy!
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Date: 2006-05-09 06:10 pm (UTC)From:I will admit there are several bits during that episode that get a few raised eyebrows from me. I said in one of the earlier comments, I think it was mostly to get Duncan in the Holy Hot Tub so he could writhe around all wet. Heh!
Also, I think they needed to have some sort of reason for him to kill Sean so he could get all angsty over it.
I always have Empire Strikes Back flashbacks actually during the water scene-- you know, Luke in the tree battling Vader while Yoda looks on. I have been known to say to the screen, "Anger leads to the dark side, young Jedi'. But I'm a geek :)
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Date: 2006-05-09 08:00 pm (UTC)From:I have no objections to Duncan being all wet. *g* Though the way he drove the stolen car was pretty giggle-inducing.
*grins* Would that make Methos Yoda then? They could be around the same age, I guess. *ducks* I still like my LSD theory though. Might fic that someday.
Actually, now that I think about it, Methos could have all sorts of reasons for attempting to save the Highlander's head - Duncan could pose a danger to Joe, who is Methos's friend as well. I also liked the comment about the Game somebody made above, though I'm not sure if Methos believes in the Game.
Looks at long, rambly comment. Yes, I am procastinating on my last paper, why do you ask? *g*
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Date: 2006-05-09 08:26 pm (UTC)From:The more the merrier!
I have no objections to Duncan being all wet. *g* Though the way he drove the stolen car was pretty giggle-inducing.
Nothing to do with anything, but wasn't that an awesome view? The ocean that is, not Methos :)
*grins* Would that make Methos Yoda then? They could be around the same age, I guess. *ducks* I still like my LSD theory though. Might fic that someday.
Well, Yoda had all sorts of roots and herbs in his stump....
Actually, now that I think about it, Methos could have all sorts of reasons for attempting to save the Highlander's head - Duncan could pose a danger to Joe, who is Methos's friend as well. I also liked the comment about the Game somebody made above, though I'm not sure if Methos believes in the Game.
That's the thing with Methos -- you're never entirely sure what his motivations are.
Looks at long, rambly comment. Yes, I am procastinating on my last paper, why do you ask? *g*
LJ comments are the best for procrastinating!
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Date: 2006-05-09 08:48 pm (UTC)From:It was! Such a pretty day too. (and a pretty Methos - yes, with me, such clarifications are always good!)
Well, Yoda had all sorts of roots and herbs in his stump....
*g* I would say the LSD theory would make more sense than a holy spring designed to give you a *literal* dark side, but this *is* HL we're talking about. *mocks because she loves*
That's the thing with Methos -- you're never entirely sure what his motivations are.
Indeed! I've been re-reading (and reading new-to-me fics) since and friend and I rewatched most of the Methos episodes during my winter break, and one thing I've come to apperciate is the elasticity of the character. With good enough writing, I can believe almost any portrayal of Methos, from the more Adam Pierson side of the spectrum to Death. Though it's also one of the reasons I'm having trouble writing my Methos fic ideas (besides schoolwork) - it's hard to settle on one Methos!
(Although I'm more to the Adam Pierson side - who is now sprawled out on my couch, drinking my beer and laughing at my curse-filled attempts to write this paper. Yes, I'm insane. It's not the first time an imaginary character has taken up residence in my brain. *g*)
LJ comments are the best for procrastinating!
Hee. So they are! I hope I'm at least being entertaining though. ^_^
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Date: 2006-05-09 08:57 pm (UTC)From:Ha! That's one of the best theories I've ever heard!