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ninjababe is a huge X Men fan, in fact, it was how we 'met' - she asked me to beta an XM/Forever Knight fic of hers. At that point, I knew nothing abut XM, but sure, why not? Fast forward to today, we never went to see the latest movie, and I noticed it was on PPV last night, so asked if she's like to watch it, and she said no, not right now, maybe some other day. Even with the added bonus of the guy from HEX being in it. I was even going to watch it without a trade!
ninjababe is a huge X Men fan, in fact, it was how we 'met' - she asked me to beta an XM/Forever Knight fic of hers. At that point, I knew nothing abut XM, but sure, why not? Fast forward to today, we never went to see the latest movie, and I noticed it was on PPV last night, so asked if she's like to watch it, and she said no, not right now, maybe some other day. Even with the added bonus of the guy from HEX being in it. I was even going to watch it without a trade!
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Date: 2011-10-02 05:32 pm (UTC)From:I figure a total waste of time for McAvoy and
Fassbender........
I do like the others but that one looks like real zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Maybe if I was 12 I might like it
:D
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Date: 2011-10-02 05:36 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2011-10-02 05:38 pm (UTC)From:I have really liked films that others hate and also critics hate,
so guess that might be it........
:D
Or maybe it is my tiring of so much CGI anymore......
It seems like they have traded story content for a lot of CGI
recently.
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Date: 2011-10-02 08:03 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2011-10-02 08:13 pm (UTC)From:and as I said earlier, so much now is loaded with CGI
I mean a little is fine but when it becomes THE story line
I am just not interested...........
Some films offer it and I like it e.g. AVATAR, but others
it becomes the story line
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Date: 2011-10-02 08:47 pm (UTC)From:That's fine. Erik/Magneto has always been my favorite character, and while I like Ian McKellan he's never been the Magneto in the books when I was reading them. By the time I was reading the books Magneto's body had been made physically younger (long story). Michael's Erik is much closer to the Magneto I will always love both physically, and up until the last 10 minutes of XM:FC psychologically.
I mean a little is fine but when it becomes THE story line...
The CGI is NOT the storyline of XM:FC. I've no doubt it's the CGI they packed the trailer with, but it isn't the story. The story is the story of Charles and Erik which is well written, and beautifully played by James and Michael.
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Date: 2011-10-02 08:53 pm (UTC)From:I was speaking of films in general not XM:FC
It has become a huge item and often it does become a huge
part of the story line...which seems to get lost or is treated
entirely camp e.g. POTC.
I have some issues with it anyway, but that part is
a big issue for me
While I liked the original I think they got lost in the
CGI of it as it moved into the second and third etc.
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Date: 2011-10-02 09:23 pm (UTC)From:Sorry. It sounded to me like you were making an assumption about XM:FC based on the trailer you'd seen.
e.g. POTC.
I was completely disgusted by At World's End, and haven't bothered to see On Stranger Tides.
While I liked the original I think they got lost in the CGI of it as it moved into the second and third etc.
I didn't particularly care for the first X-Men movie for a variety of reasons, not all of them a matter of my primarily being a book fan. The first two, which are the ones directed by Bryan Singer are okay in my book, not good, or great, but... adequate. The third, was awful. It was directed by Brett Ratner. The first Wolverine movie, which I did eventually get around to seeing, was another movie I'd call adequate. It was directed by Gavin Hood. X-Men:First Class is (as I've said elsewhere) --
The Movie that has come the closest to getting me to love it like I used to love the books. It actually got me to take a look at the current books. None of the other movies had done that.
XM:FC was directed by Matthew Vaughn. The movies aren't all one continues franchise. Some of them are better. Some of them are worse. For me, XM:FC is the best movie that has been made from material in the comic books. For others I'm sure it's the first X-Men film, or the first Wolverine film. That's a matter of individual taste.
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Date: 2011-10-02 09:26 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2011-10-02 09:38 pm (UTC)From:no subject
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Date: 2011-10-02 10:27 pm (UTC)From:Right here I am speaking of the first POTC, not the first X Men.
That World's End was such a mess, almost like they were writing it as it was shot.
I also HATED the depiction of Davy Jones.....and won't even comment on his wretched crew.
So many dreary issues......and I wouldn't watch Strange Tides or whatever its called if you gave me a free ticket
I cannot believe Depp is signing on for me
All I can think is he has a masochistic trait somewhere.
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Date: 2011-10-03 12:32 am (UTC)From:Ah. Gotchya.
I also HATED the depiction of Davy Jones...
I thought Davy was more interesting in concept than execution. I mean I think Bill Nighy did a great job of acting under all the make up and CGI, but I think the writers let him down a lot--especially in At World's End.
I cannot believe Depp is signing on for more.
I'm not surprised, and it's not a matter of my thinking of him as having gotten greedy financially. It's a matter of thinking he really loves playing Captain Jack Sparrow. It's like another actor I know who loves playing another character with a Captain's title. I'm just sad they can't let go of those characters.
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Date: 2011-10-03 12:34 am (UTC)From:THAT is what I meant. Sorry if it was not clear.
Nighy did a fine job but I guess I was not very impressed by how they depicted Jones..........
I guess it is because in nautical legends he is depicted much differently as are his crew.
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Date: 2011-10-02 09:28 pm (UTC)From:no subject
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Date: 2011-10-02 09:41 pm (UTC)From:I do hope the story is good and we end up with many more Avengers movies, if nothing else then because of the actors, LOL. :) I love them all, adored Chris Evans in Losers and Push and several other films, I'm completely besotted with Hiddleston, and Hemsworth is a hunk. :) I don't even need to say anything about Downey and Jackson. :) I wonder if they'll have Idris Elba as well, at least in a cameo? I would jump up and down in my chair if that happens!
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Date: 2011-10-02 09:45 pm (UTC)From:Loki did say there were more paths off Asgard than the bifrost, so I'm figuring they come upon one.
I'm so excited! Did you see the article link I posted on
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Date: 2011-10-02 09:52 pm (UTC)From:No, I must have missed it! :goes to check:
Oh, pretties! Man, I have to go to bed (they're taking my blood again tomorrow - yikes!) and have to be up early. :( But I'll bookmark it and read it tomorrow.
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Date: 2011-10-03 08:46 am (UTC)From:I was just wondering whether anyone on Earth knew of those extra pathways. The way they ended it, it looked like Jane was the one working on setting up contact from her end, while I didn't see any signs that the Asgardians were attempting to repair the Bifrost. Heimdall was observing the universe from the ruins. And what would it take to open one such pathway? Does one have to be a sorcerer of Loki's caliber? But maybe she'll find a way by accident - working on repairing the bridge, but finding a side entry, so to speak. The possibilities are endless!
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Date: 2011-10-02 10:03 pm (UTC)From:I have to say most of my favorite comic book movies have been "first" movies. Also, though most of the books I read were Marvel, I'd have to include a DC movie or two on my list. An off the top of my head Top Five for me would go...
1. Batman (1989, Tim Burton's is still the best to me.)
2. Ironman (Robert Downey Jr was born to play Tony.)
3. X-Men:First Class (My favorite X-Men flick.)
4. Superman (Christopher Reeve is still my favorite.)
5. Spiderman (Though I'm interested in the reboot.)
I am completely obsessed with the Thor movie, and am eagerly anticipating The Avengers...
I haven't seen the Thor, and I'm leery of the Avengers. I'm very bothered by The Avengers only female Avenger being Black Widow. I'd like it to have two or three of the female Avengers in it. I'm most offended by the omission of Wasp, but I'd also like it to have the Scarlet Witch and-or Mockingbird.
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Date: 2011-10-03 09:19 am (UTC)From:I don't know any of those characters, so maybe I'm not emotionally vested in their participation. I think there are enough characters in the Avengers - let's see, we have Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury, agent Coulson (did I miss someone?) - and it would be to much to have more and then have them lost in the crowd. From what I read, these were the original members of the Avengers, so I presume that this is their origin movie, like the individual movies were for each character.
I would rather have one good female character now, and possibly more in the upcoming movies, than have them there just to be there as token character.
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Date: 2011-10-03 06:32 pm (UTC)From:Cool! I've given both of the Christopher Nolan Batman films a try now, and was unimpressed.
I saw both Iron Man movies recently and enjoyed them a lot (my sister hated them, on the other hand!)...
I'm sorry to hear your sister hated them.
All X-Men movies had something I liked and some things I didn't, and I guess I'd say that the first and the last are my favorites.
When you say the first and last, do you mean of the original film trilogy, or of the franchise so far? I mean, if you count the Wolverine movies as his solo films rather than actual X-Men films, I'd say my favorites are the first X-Men movie film and the latest movie in the franchise XM:FC.
I don't know any of those characters, so maybe I'm not emotionally vested in their participation.
That's a shame since Wasp was a founding member of the Avengers. She's even the one who actually coined the team's name.
. I think there are enough characters in the Avengers...
I think there are too many characters in it that don't belong in an Avengers movie. The original team was Iron Man, Ant-Man, Wasp, Thor, and the Hulk. Captain America wasn't in the first issue. He wasn't added until the fourth issue. Letting Cap in is one thing, but Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury and Agent Coulson (never even heard of Coulson) aren't remotely part of the original team. If they feel the need to have Hawkeye they should have Mockingbird. She is, or was for a time, his wife.
From what I read, these were the original members of the Avengers...
I don't know where you read that, but it's wrong. When the series debuted in 1963, it did only have one token female, but she was the Wasp--not Black Widow. Like I said, it was Wasp that named the team. Besides which, given that this team so very isn't the original team, insisting that it is is no way to defend the sexist make up of this team.
I would rather have one good female character now, and possibly more in the upcoming movies, than have them there just to be there as token character.
Having only one female, no matter how well written she may or may not be, is tokenism--especially in 2011. That tokenism would be one thing if they were using the original team line up, but they aren't. An Avengers movie, especially one that is supposedly an origin one, without Wasp is wrong. An Avengers movie with only one female character in it, when the Avengers is a team that has had a number of female superheroes in it, is wrong.
Wasp was a founding member. Mockingbird is/was Hawkeye's wife. The Scarlet Witch is Magneto's daughter, who left his Brotherhood of Evil Mutants to become an Avenger. Each one of them not only has every bit as much right to be in the movie as any of the male heroes they have included, but they have more right to be in the movie than a number of the characters that are there. Wasp has more right to be there than, "Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury, and Agent Coulson." The Scarlet Witch has more of a right to be there than everyone on that list but Hawkeye and and she has every bit as much right to be there as Hawkeye does. Mockingbird is the only one of those three super heroines who has less right to be there than Hawkeye, and I think she'd still be a better choice for a female character on the team than the Black Widow.
Er, sorry for the ranting. I just hate that there's only one female superhero in the movie and she's Black Widow. :(
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Date: 2011-10-03 07:04 pm (UTC)From:Thing is, and please forgive me in advance, none of those names mean anything to me. I have zero knowledge of the comic books Avenger. All I know about them comes from the current individual movies. I can live with he current member setup. I hope the movie is good and they make more. I hope they have more kick ass female characters in the future movies.
And about tokenism? I really couldn't care less. When it comes down to it, there's really just one thing I expect from a movie, and that's to entertain me. I live in what is for all intents and purposes, a third world country, with a strongly patriarchal society. There are so many things that are higher on my list of priorities that whether there are enough female superheroes doesn't even register for me.
I'd be thrilled to see an Avengers movie with the Scarlet Witch because she sound like the most interesting character from the ones you listed, but I also wouldn't be hurt if she didn't show up either. Because how do you decide which characters are the most deserving for a movie? What makes the character I prefer better than the one you do, and vice versa? I've watched so many fights in various fandoms over the title of most worthy, and writing competitions in the vein of "101 ways to kill of Name Lastname" that I back away immediately. I just don't have the time or the energy.
Don't apologize! I have stopped doing so a long time ago. I will not apologize to anyone for liking a show, a movie, a character, and I don't expect anyone who has different tastes to mine to do it either. I couldn't care less that my sister hates Iron man. I use it to tease her for not having any taste. She uses it to tease me for having awful taste. We have some favorites we share. My flist is full of people with wildly differing tastes, and I get along with all of them just fine. When you go through a war, whether someone likes some thing better than others becomes insignificant. :)
I enjoyed reading a post from a person who is passionate about their favorites. I hope she won't take it against me that they mean nothing to me, but I'm open to getting to know them in the future. :)
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Date: 2011-10-03 08:03 pm (UTC)From:Ah, probably from someone who really didn't know, or care, about the history then.
Thing is, and please forgive me in advance, none of those names mean anything to me. ... All I know about them comes from the current individual movies.
No problem. It isn't your fault you don't know them. It's the people who've made "the current individual movies" who have been avoiding those classic Avengers heroines fault.
I can live with the current member setup.
I'll probably skip The Avengers movie. I've skipped Thor, and Cap's movie. I thought it was lazy casting using the same actor who played Johnny Storm as Cap. I'll likely wait for Ironman 3 to see Tony again. Not sure if I'll see Thor eventually.
And about tokenism? I really couldn't care less.
I care. I hate that since Hollywood handled the Elektra and Catwoman movies badly they seem to have abandoned bothering to try to do super heroine movies. I mean while the Avengers does at least have a female character, she didn't have a movie of her own like Ironman, et al. She's clearly a second class character, and given that she's one without superpowers (unlike Wasp and the Scarlet Witch), it seems pretty obvious to me that she's mainly there to add some feminine curves.
...there's really just one thing I expect from a movie, and that's to entertain me.
What I want most from a movie is entertainment. I love X-Men: First Class, and it has serious flaws when it comes to its handling of gender and race. I'm just not prepared to pretend as if those flaws aren't there, or to say they don't impact how much I enjoy it. I love XM:FC, but I won't pretend it couldn't be better. I expect the Avengers movie will be okay. It has some good people both behind the camera in the person of Joss Whedon, and in front with a number of the actors. It just isn't appealing to me.
There are so many things that are higher on my list of priorities that whether there are enough female superheroes doesn't even register for me.
I won't pretend to imagine what your life is like. I've lived my whole life in the US. I'm just sure that "whether there are enough female superheroes" does make a difference in some places because it does say to some people that all a girl can dream of is being "the token chick." She can't be equal on an individual level, the token chick didn't get a movie of her own, and they can't be equal in the team because there is only one girl on the team. It's sexist, and that's wrong, even it's "only a movie." It still matters.
Because how do you decide which characters are the most deserving for a movie?
As much as Black Widow would never have been my first, second, or even third choice for "the token chick" (if I'd had to choose one woman to be marginalized like that), what I really care about is how sexist having one token chick is. It isn't about "which characters are the most deserving" or "What makes the character I prefer better than the one you do, and vice versa?" It's simply about equality.
I've watched so many fights in various fandoms over the title of most worthy, and writing competitions in the vein of "101 ways to kill of Name Lastname" that I back away immediately.
I try hard to not hate a character, unless it's a villain you're suppose to hate, and I know sometimes I fail. I hate Gwen Cooper in Torchwood. I don't hate Black Widow. If I've come across sounding like I do, it isn't intentional. In and of herself she's a fine character. What I hate is that they could have done more with her than they have, and they could be doing more with the Avengers than they are. It isn't that she's bad. It's that she isn't enough for me.
Don't apologize!
*Blushes.* Thanks!
I hope she won't take it against me that they mean nothing to me, but I'm open to getting to know them in the future. :)
I promise I won't take it against you. It isn't your fault. I'm glad you're open to getting to know them. I just wish someone in Hollywood seemed open to telling their stories.
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Date: 2011-10-03 09:23 pm (UTC)From:I on the other hand can't have enough of Chris Evans in my movies. His casting as Captain doesn't bother me. I'd love it if they made a second Losers movie, and have it crossover with Avengers and have Jensen be a descendant or some such. :glee:
I think it's safe to say there isn't a movie in existence that couldn't be improved in some way, whether because they fail on gender or race or whatever. I'm aware of those issues. I know they exist. It's just that in a larger scheme of things here they are not issues that are high on our list of priorities. For us more volatile issues are questions of religion (I'm Muslim, by the way) and ethnic affiliation.
Maybe it's good Hollywood's not bothering to make such movies anymore, if those are the results we can expect. They're all about making money (preferably huge amounts). They're not interested in progression and innovation, except maybe on a technical level. Just look at the amount of adaptations and remakes and re-imaginings and sequels. The last thing I expect from Hollywood is to be enlightened. Perhaps there will be other studios who will be willing to make a really good movie about the struggles of a superheroine.
One thing we've always found interesting (and sometimes annoying) about Americans is that you guys seem so... flashy? I guess? So gung-ho about everything; you want everything right now, you want change to happen right away. We go about it very slowly. So, Like I said, I live in a very patriarchal society, but I can see changes happening around me every day. I teach academic writing at a university, and I have various groups in my classes: computer science, information systems, economics, political science... Every year there are more and more girls. In some groups the percentage is 60:40 in favor of girls. Most of our instructors are women who hold PhDs. we go about our jobs, making connections, and then we have guests from the US who immediately go, You must demand this! You must ask for that! and we know such attitude would NEVER work here. So we say, Yes of course, and go about our business again when they go home.
I try hard to not hate a character
Oh I don't bother trying not to hate a character! I have plenty of them I hate, LOL. What I do is try to never say that in public. The farthest I go is, I'm not very interested in character such and such, but I mostly just avoid saying even that because I know there's someone out there who probably loves them, and to whom that particular character means a lot. (Unless I'm particularly riled, but that happens very rarely.) All I have to do is think about how I felt when someone bashed my favorites and it's usually enough to make me keep my mouth shut.
I feel like I've rambled a lot! :D I'm willing to have a go at many things, why not? Life is too short and bitter not to try to take whatever enjoyment you can out of it. In the end I'll leave you with a quote from one of my faves, a fellow named Darien Fawkes: "I believe the glass is half full. Unfortunately, it is filled with blood."
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Date: 2011-10-02 10:30 pm (UTC)From:I agree with you and am in the queue for Thor through the library system, but the issue for me is not the X Men series just no interest in this latest........
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Date: 2011-10-03 08:48 am (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2011-10-03 04:38 pm (UTC)From::P
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Date: 2011-10-03 04:41 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2011-10-03 04:46 pm (UTC)From:and this is just one county system....
In US states are broken into what are called counties......
I live in Washington but hold cards in Multnomah, largest county in Oregon, and also Clackamus......
I can only imagine how long their list is, but I am willing to wait
I mean what's the big rush?
Not for me.
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Date: 2011-10-03 04:49 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2011-10-03 04:51 pm (UTC)From:I use a reminder called VideoETA
It tells me when films come out on DVD and then I just go to the library online and place a hold
They send me a notice when it comes in.
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Date: 2011-10-02 06:06 pm (UTC)From:no subject
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Date: 2011-10-02 09:33 pm (UTC)From:I'm still curious though. :)
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Date: 2011-10-03 06:45 pm (UTC)From:Yeah, that would be great. Marvel does have what it calls a "Digital Comics Unlimited" subscription, but it's a subscription service rather than an al a cart one. I'd love to be able to get just the stories I want to read at individual download prices too. Maybe someone will do that someday?
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Date: 2011-10-03 07:09 pm (UTC)From:no subject
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Date: 2011-10-03 01:03 am (UTC)From:Didn't even try the third.
Granted, Wolverine was of the awesome.
Someday, I'll get to first class... Someday.
But, it is kind sad that I don't feel the need to watch it, even without a trade. I'd rather rewatch Gilmore Girls.
Even with the guy from HEX in it.
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Date: 2011-10-03 01:49 am (UTC)From:Heh, I said, "The first two, which are the ones directed by Bryan Singer are okay in my book, not good, or great, but... adequate."
Didn't even try the third.
Don't ever waste your time on it. I know people who hate Brett Ratner based solely on his having directed that. He earned some forgiveness for my having wasted time on it with the short lived CBS series he did called CHAOS, but my advice is still to stay far away from Three.
Granted, Wolverine was of the awesome.
Part of the problem I have with film!Wolverine is getting past Hugh Jackman being far too tall and too pretty to be the Wolverine I loved in the comic books. I'd have an easier time believing in Hugh Jackman as Gambit than Wolverine. Another problem for me, and a big one in particular for the first Wolverine film, is how much the movies highlight how many damn times Wolverine's back-story has gotten retconned. Still, I'll probably watch the next Wolverine movie when they get it out.
Someday, I'll get to first class... Someday.
I hope so. It really is my favorite of the X-Men films so far. I think if I had to rank all of them I'd go...
1. X-Men: First Class
2. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
3. X-Men
4. X2
5. X-Men: The Last Stand
Which is to say, apart from the first Bryan Singer film which I will at least give 3rd place to, I'd say the best X-Men movies are the ones the furthest removed from Singer's films. Wolverine was directed by Gavin Hood and X-Men: First Class by Matthew Vaughn. Those are the good movies in my book.
But, it is kind sad that I don't feel the need to watch it, even without a trade.
I think that's more than "kind" of sad. :(
Even with the guy from HEX in it.
I've never watched HEX. I'm still not sure, for all I've come to love Michael Fassbender, if I ever will. I am certain that a great deal of XM:FC's greatness rests on his shoulders. I know neither James McAvoy nor he are going to win any awards for their performances in the film, it's just not that kind of film, but they both show how great they are in it. I knew James was great so there was no surprise there. I hadn't seen Michael before though, and he got to the Magneto I loved as a kid so well that he made me cry more than once. I hope he does get an Oscar nomination for one of the Oscar bait movies he does have out this fall. He deserves it.